live vs. online version 324

Bumbaclat

I just don't get it. I consistently win NL200 when playing live. I track my play with poker tracker to I know it's not just in my head . I play NL25 (and some NL100 and NL200) every single day and I can't get beyond just barely scraping upwards/just paying the rake. When playing live I pay attention to hands I'm not in, watch the players etc. Online I don't. Is that the simple difference or is it that online and live playing style are that different? Comments would be appreciated.

Wetts1012

Absolutely agree.

I find my play much looser on-line, It simply does not seem like money (in my head). Although over the last 24 months my net is up (live and on-line), I am definately a losing player on-line.

I also found that when I quit playing on-line last January - for about 5 months, was when my live results spiked up.

_obv_

NL200 online is way way tougher than NL200 live. You probably arent good enough to beat it online at this point. Just play NL25 or NL50 online and work on improving your game and you will start moving up the ranks online. You could just stick to playing live where you are winning.

B&M Grinder

These days, any live NLH game is much looser than online. You'd be hard pressed to find an online 1/2 game with 6 players per flop for a 5-7bb raise, but that's common place at most live games. Hell, I play a 1/2 NL game where you can get 5 to the flop for $30. Winning a decent pot or 2 in such a live game makes your night whereas online you won't get many/any pots of that size on a consistant basis. Online you are truly grinding for the $4-$8/100h at these limits whereas live you can simply crush these games (if you have the right game).

Of course, distractions, focus, etc...do come into play, but you're also basically playing a differently structured game online vs live where different skill sets apply.

BlondeFish

What are the big blinds for "NL25", NL100, and NL200? Do those online terms mean that the maximum buy-in is $25, $100 & $200, respectively? Isn't the size of the blinds the important number in selecting a cash game table instead of the maximum buy-in?

Bumbaclat wrote: »

I play NL25 (and some NL100 and NL200)

DP_Machine

Yeah, I'm almost absolutely sure that it means the max buy-in for a NL table. I'm not as sure as to the blinds because I know that PokerRoom has NL200 for a 1-2 NL table, but could be different at other sites. I think casinos also have different rules. I think niagara's max is 100 for a 1-2 NL table but it's $200 in a similar table @ Rama.

On another note...would anyone be able to perscribe what would be comparable online for a 1-2NL live game? I have hard times making the transition as well so I'm curious as to what others think would be a good level to play online.

ReefAquarium

DP_Machine wrote: »

Yeah, I'm almost absolutely sure that it means the max buy-in for a NL table. I'm not as sure as to the blinds because I know that PokerRoom has NL200 for a 1-2 NL table, but could be different at other sites. I think casinos also have different rules. I think niagara's max is 100 for a 1-2 NL table but it's $200 in a similar table @ Rama.

On another note...would anyone be able to perscribe what would be comparable online for a 1-2NL live game? I have hard times making the transition as well so I'm curious as to what others think would be a good level to play online.

Usually the lowest level at an online site is far tighter than the lowest level live.

So there is no real 1 to 1 match up live vs on-line for 1/2NL live.

I'd start at .01/.02 or .02/.04.

Chuckieland

yes, max buy-in usually is 100 big blind
for for for 1/2 NL is also call NL 200.
i find live game is too loose for my taste.
bunch callingstation. and maniac
but when you win, you'll win alot, or lose your buy-in very quickly.......
i once pickup pocket As after folding for like 20 minute.
on the bottom, everybody limp in to me, i raise to $50bux.
6 Caller.....WTF
i only have $160 left, and pot is over $350.....
the only possible play is push allin on the flop or calling all-in bet, and hope my aces holdup.

you get my point?

BlondeFish

Thanks for the explanation of NL-x.

Having maniacs and calling stations is the best possible table for making money. The more often and bigger their mistakes, the more money you can make over and above the rake. I would much rather play in a "too loose" live game against 9 donkeys and bingo players :fish: than against 9 rocks who "respect my raises" and don't make enough huge mistakes. I try to make sure that I have access to at least three times the maximum buy-in to handle the short-term "bad luck" such as when your AA don't hold up. If you are not winning in the long run against "bad" players, it is not because they are making too many mistakes; it is because you are!

Chuckieland wrote: »

yes, max buy-in usually is 100 big blind
for for for 1/2 NL is also call NL 200.
i find live game is too loose for my taste.
bunch callingstation. and maniac
but when you win, you'll win alot, or lose your buy-in very quickly.......
i once pickup pocket As after folding for like 20 minute.
on the bottom, everybody limp in to me, i raise to $50bux.
6 Caller.....WTF
i only have $160 left, and pot is over $350.....
the only possible play is push allin on the flop or calling all-in bet, and hope my aces holdup.
you get my point?

westside8

BlondeFish wrote: »

What are the big blinds for "NL25", NL100, and NL200? Do those online terms mean that the maximum buy-in is $25, $100 & $200, respectively? Isn't the size of the blinds the important number in selecting a cash game table instead of the maximum buy-in?

Chuckieland wrote: »

yes, max buy-in usually is 100 big blind
for for for 1/2 NL is also call NL 200.

Yepyep. So NL25 is 0.10/0.25, NL50 is 0.25/0.50, and etc.