Etiquette question !
Good morning,
Live satellite, about 40 players left out of the 69 that started and 7 place pays.
I'm chip leader and some guy goes all in, two person calls I'm last to act and I have A10 and I decide to see a flop.
Flop is 10 10 8 , I bet 3k
Now... I KNOW that close to the bubble you might wanna check all the way to showdown to eliminate a player but at this stage of the game... isn't the goal to make it to those final players?
I got some really bad looks from pretty much everyone at the table (especially that other guy who decided to move all in and I busted out as well).
But... was I right in making that move or it was bad etiquette?
Just wondering!
Thanks
Live satellite, about 40 players left out of the 69 that started and 7 place pays.
I'm chip leader and some guy goes all in, two person calls I'm last to act and I have A10 and I decide to see a flop.
Flop is 10 10 8 , I bet 3k
Now... I KNOW that close to the bubble you might wanna check all the way to showdown to eliminate a player but at this stage of the game... isn't the goal to make it to those final players?
I got some really bad looks from pretty much everyone at the table (especially that other guy who decided to move all in and I busted out as well).
But... was I right in making that move or it was bad etiquette?
Just wondering!
Thanks
Comments
I caught hell for a similar play in a normal SNG, but there were 7 players left, and only top 3 paid. I say it's fine.
Mark
I think people take the whole "guarantee to knock a player out" line too far. It was still early in the tournament - nowhere near the money. The goal at that point is to accumulate chips, not necessarily to knock others out. Especially with a hand like yours that is close to the nuts at this point.
I have seen way too many people leave their opponents in just to help them knock another player out, and then lose a sizeable pot when their opponent rivers the perfect card that they need.
Close to the bubble or in the money then it is a whole different ballgame. Then assuring that the all in player is knocked out may be more to your advantage.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with betting a made hand and don't let anyone tell you anything different.
EDIT: Same answer if you are on the bubble
bet your hand here everytime. if they have a hand, they call and pay you off. otherwise why let them draw out on you with a big pot?
if they give you a hard time about your play, be sure to laugh maniacally but don't feel obliged to educate them. like we do here.
It is bad poker to bluff into a dry side pot -
However -if you have a small part of the board or small pair and think you can isolate the allin who is playing any two big cards then push. You need to get chips.
You had a huge hand here; are you going to check and let J9, or other straight draw in? I think not.
If anyone moans or bitches, you throw your nuts on the table and tell them to STFU and go swish around in thier skirt. Poker is about being the best at the table, not an exercise in hand holding and building a team environment. Sharks swim alone for a reason.
Oh wait, can you tell I have my year end review today?
The idea of checking it down or "implicit collusion" near the bubble has nothing to do with etiquette. It is in your strategic interest to check down marginal hands so that you don't bluff out a hand that would have knocked a player out.
For example, if you had a flush draw after the flop, you bet big and folded out a middle pair, only to have the all-in player win with bottom pair when you missed your draw. That's bad strategic play when there is a jump in money to be gained by knocking the short stack out. When the side pot is not dry, the issue becomes more complicated, but it's all a question of correct strategy.
Needless to say this does not apply to cash games.
Didn't thought it was bad but wanted some more opinions of skilled players !
Thanks again
Miss Manners says, "Use you Prison-Yard-Bend-Over-A-Barrel-Etiquette"