Wrong raise amount...?
I can't build a stack.. it seems like my good hands don't get called, either I'm raising too much or I get really unlucky and nobody else has anything when I get them...
So... here are a few hands from a tourney I just got eliminated (it's actually the only half decent hand I played, I didn't get dealt anything else that was worth calling (bad position, big raise before me, etc)
Sorry it's a bit long...
Exemple no1 :
First hand of the tourney :
Dealt to InsaneGuy [Kc Kd]
Dealt to InsaneGuy [Kc Kd]
fatmola: folds
fastmir: folds
ocb&van: folds
JW1981: folds
InsaneGuy: raises 100 to 120
saladman: folds
CHASS: calls 110
newnewf is connected
Markp25: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [6c 5c Js]
CHASS: checks
Markp25: checks
InsaneGuy: bets 200
CHASS: folds
Markp25: folds
InsaneGuy collected 360 from pot
Bet too much? Do you slowplay the first hand? I did make 360 on that hand but could I have made more?
Exemple no2 :
6 hands later...
Dealt to InsaneGuy [Kh Kd]
CHASS: folds
newnewf: calls 20
Markp25: folds
fatmola: folds
fastmir: folds
ocb&van: folds
JW1981: folds
InsaneGuy: raises 80 to 100
saladman: folds
newnewf: calls 30 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [8c 4d 7d]
*** TURN *** [8c 4d 7d] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [8c 4d 7d Tc] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
InsaneGuy: shows [Kh Kd] (a pair of Kings)
newnewf: shows [Js 4s] (a pair of Fours)
InsaneGuy collected 120 from pot
Only 120... with kings. 120 with pocket 6, fine but with kings I'd want to extract as much money as possible from my oponent!
I know I had a big hand right from the start and maybe they feared something?
Exemple 3 :
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to InsaneGuy [Js Td]
saladman: folds
CHASS: calls 30
poka_mann1: calls 30
Markp25: folds
fatmola: folds
fastmir: folds
ocb&van: folds
JW1981: folds
InsaneGuy: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qd 9s 8c]
InsaneGuy: checks
CHASS: checks
poka_mann1: bets 150
InsaneGuy: raises 150 to 300
CHASS: folds
poka_mann1: calls 150
*** TURN *** [Qd 9s 8c] [2s]
InsaneGuy: bets 350
poka_mann1: folds
InsaneGuy collected 705 from pot
I think I played this one correctly... I wouldn't have been able to extract more money from him (I think...)
Exemple 4 :
Late late (short-stacked too)
Dealt to InsaneGuy [As Ah]
JW1981: folds
InsaneGuy: raises 600 to 800
saladman: folds
CHASS: folds
smartytb: folds
Markp25: folds
fatmola: folds
Nic077: folds
cdg1912: folds
InsaneGuy collected 425 from pot
That one really sucks... but then again, slowplay aces??? I think it's suicide.
Or am I wrong?
So... here are a few hands from a tourney I just got eliminated (it's actually the only half decent hand I played, I didn't get dealt anything else that was worth calling (bad position, big raise before me, etc)
Sorry it's a bit long...
Exemple no1 :
First hand of the tourney :
Dealt to InsaneGuy [Kc Kd]
Dealt to InsaneGuy [Kc Kd]
fatmola: folds
fastmir: folds
ocb&van: folds
JW1981: folds
InsaneGuy: raises 100 to 120
saladman: folds
CHASS: calls 110
newnewf is connected
Markp25: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [6c 5c Js]
CHASS: checks
Markp25: checks
InsaneGuy: bets 200
CHASS: folds
Markp25: folds
InsaneGuy collected 360 from pot
Bet too much? Do you slowplay the first hand? I did make 360 on that hand but could I have made more?
Exemple no2 :
6 hands later...
Dealt to InsaneGuy [Kh Kd]
CHASS: folds
newnewf: calls 20
Markp25: folds
fatmola: folds
fastmir: folds
ocb&van: folds
JW1981: folds
InsaneGuy: raises 80 to 100
saladman: folds
newnewf: calls 30 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [8c 4d 7d]
*** TURN *** [8c 4d 7d] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [8c 4d 7d Tc] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
InsaneGuy: shows [Kh Kd] (a pair of Kings)
newnewf: shows [Js 4s] (a pair of Fours)
InsaneGuy collected 120 from pot
Only 120... with kings. 120 with pocket 6, fine but with kings I'd want to extract as much money as possible from my oponent!
I know I had a big hand right from the start and maybe they feared something?
Exemple 3 :
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to InsaneGuy [Js Td]
saladman: folds
CHASS: calls 30
poka_mann1: calls 30
Markp25: folds
fatmola: folds
fastmir: folds
ocb&van: folds
JW1981: folds
InsaneGuy: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qd 9s 8c]
InsaneGuy: checks
CHASS: checks
poka_mann1: bets 150
InsaneGuy: raises 150 to 300
CHASS: folds
poka_mann1: calls 150
*** TURN *** [Qd 9s 8c] [2s]
InsaneGuy: bets 350
poka_mann1: folds
InsaneGuy collected 705 from pot
I think I played this one correctly... I wouldn't have been able to extract more money from him (I think...)
Exemple 4 :
Late late (short-stacked too)
Dealt to InsaneGuy [As Ah]
JW1981: folds
InsaneGuy: raises 600 to 800
saladman: folds
CHASS: folds
smartytb: folds
Markp25: folds
fatmola: folds
Nic077: folds
cdg1912: folds
InsaneGuy collected 425 from pot
That one really sucks... but then again, slowplay aces??? I think it's suicide.
Or am I wrong?
Comments
Also, when you're opening preflop, raise [approximately] the same amount each time. I.e. don't raise to 6BB with KK if you only raise to 3BB with Q10o.
Minraises make baby jesus cry! (they also scream NUTS!!!)
In general, don't raise by the strength of your hand, or even the halfway decent players can read you like a book.
/g2
Be happy that you got this much on the first hand.
I tend to not get greedy (and go broke) early on.
I think that I check (if I think he bets here) and push all in.
He called your flop raise so he is probably on a straight draw for 3 outs (or has Qx). I am not afraid of giving the free card here.
Need some more info here.
What was your stack size here (don't know how much of your stack the raise represented?
What were the other stack sizes at the table?
Edit: You committed almost 1/2 you stack with the raise. As a player, I know that I am going to have to play you for the rest of your chips (unless you are supper passive). Maybe 2-1/2 or 3BB and you get some action.
If I am short-stacked I may slowplay the aces in EP esp if the table may be trying to push me around. Then I pop it when someone in LP raises and tries to bully me off the pot.
Hand 2. You raised from the SB (maybe?) with only 1 short stack in the pot. Why not limp and try to get some chips off the BB? Or get busted by 84o? Your choice.
Hand 3. Your min-raise tells the guy you can beat top pair. I guess he can't. Bummer. Next!
Hand 4. 4xBB raise in EP with large-ish blinds and no one had enough to mix it up. Next time make sure someone has AK, KK, QQ or JJ so you can get a caller. Or try 3xBB next time and you might get a bit more action. Who knows?
You got a guy to call 6x the BB raise from the SB. You made a pot of 18BB, that's a healthy pot. Would you have preferred he called and then watched a 4c drop? Me neither.
Ummm.. looks like you were on the button here, and with only had a few people behind you. The person that did call called himself all in... it's not POSSIBLE to win more.
You did play this well. A turn check may have induced a bet, but meh... stilll over 20BB pot
$hit happens
Mark
answers :
- It was an MTT
- Not much raising... think I played it a bit too passive at some point.
- Chips on AA was the following (sorry I ditched some info from the HS to make the post smaller...)
Seat 1: saladman (3987 in chips)
Seat 2: CHASS (5510 in chips)
Seat 3: smartytb (2740 in chips)
Seat 4: Markp25 (2208 in chips)
Seat 5: fatmola (3520 in chips)
Seat 6: Nic077 (25 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: cdg1912 (6475 in chips)
Seat 8: JW1981 (7825 in chips)
Seat 9: InsaneGuy (1760 in chips)
I echo some of the other sentimetns of raising consistantly. As for amounts, I find that the answer to that is "depends".... if I have AA and based on the table I"m at, I'll raise whatever I think they'll call. Playing cash games has taught me to read the 'tolerance' of the table. At some tables, I'll raise 3-4x BB to get callers with big hands, at others, it's upwards of 8-10x BB.
As an add-on, with your AA, I would have pushed all in. You have 1760 and the blinds are 100-200? Your M value is JUST under 6, so your bet of 800 is 1/2 your stack anyways.
I'm going to jump to an assumption here, you've probably not read the "Harrington on Hold 'Em" series by Dan Harrington... I strongly suggest you do.
Mark
[4 x BB with AA in early position is fine; just got unlucky that no one had anything... happens to the best of us]
I be interested to see how you played some of the other non-big hands; I make more chips with J10 than AA usually; problem with these cards is when you hit the flop, the other players don't so you don't get paid off. Or they hit it harder and then you fall in love with the high pair and you get busted.
I agree with you on the all-in but then again, if someone folds to 800 would he call 1700?
Maybe, to put me out of the tournament but when there's over 250 players left do you want to risk 1700 when you have, let's say, 7k?
Not that you'd be crippled but unless you have a premium hand would it really be a good call?
Call 1700 in a pot of 2000.
Based on the new info provided, you are short stacked so you are never going to fold AA no matter what happens to the board. So try to make some chips rather than scare everyone out. Raise to 500 or 600 and hope you get at least one chaser. Just realize you aren't folding and you may go broke instead of making the 425 from 'stealing'.
An astute player may recognize that you are pot committed and wonder why you didn't push and be awfully suspicious but we aren't making much off of astute players when we raise in EP, are we?
This situation is an ideal time for something like that... it looks scared.
Of course, this is also the ideal situation to setup a bad beat story too.
Mark
that's pretty much what I did in my other hand where I got ... erhm.. upset.
aa against 55 and 77.
nice pot, about 12k.
55 hit a set on the flop and never looked back