cash or tourny?

tomson

Hi guys, I had an opinion question. I am really trying to make a living from poker, but have been

having trouble finding "my game". I tried cash, up down up down then completely broke. I tried

sit&gos, but slow money. How do you feel about this? Are cash games better or sit&go's??

Thanks people,
Best Regards!

g2

Sounds like you killed the play money on stars.

Read a book. Or ten.

Learn bankroll management.

Play what is profitable. You go broke at cash games, but you make money at sit&gos. Tough call.

/g2

Spicol

All I know is that limit is the new hotness.

(Also, what g2 said. If you can't answer this question yourself, you're years away from making a living playing poker.)

ScoobyD

I tried

sit&gos, but slow money.

It's all "slow money" (with some ups and downs along the way). Learning this is what seperates a poker "player" from a gambler.

JimmyHo

I've always wondered what 'make a living' means when people say they want to live off poker. How much does a person expect to earn 'making a living' playing poker? just wondering what most people aim for. Play what is profitable for you; if you make slow money on SnGs, maybe increase the buy-ins you are playing so you make more per/hour (if you can afford it - depends on your bankroll). I always thought most players earned their living from cash games but maybe that is only applicable to live players. Online you can play multi tables which should add to your profitability. If you have gone broke on the cash games, might want to avoid these until you get more experience. Definitely a different mind set.

-ev

All I know is, someone will come along shortly serving up a big steaming pile of spam, looking vaguely like a response to your question.

g2

-ev wrote: »

All I know is, someone will come along shortly serving up a big steaming pile of spam, looking vaguely like a response to your question.

Wrong. g2 is the master spam-detector... and he wouldn't have replied to the OP if there was spam coming.

/g2

DrTyore

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g2

500 CPF bucks says this guy is not a spammer.

/g2

InsaneGuy

DrTyore wrote: »

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fdart17

Keep playing sit and gos, once you find that you are consistently making money, move up in buy ins. if you lose, go back down, then again once yuo make enough go back up. keep this going and you will keep going up if yuo practise alot and stay open minded.

dalini

I suggest sticking to freerolls until you begin placing in the money. When you win use the winnings to buy into some sit and gos. If you are that good you will begin to build a bank roll. If you can't win a freeroll and build a bank roll you can't be that good. Earning a living at poker is a pipe dream. The best you can do is win your way to tournaments that will make you a millionaire. Get in line because you are not alone in that pursuit.

A good start is full tilt and trying to win the aussie package or a poker after dark appearance. This costs you nothing and will educate you to the realities of this game.

Hobbes

dalini wrote: »

... If you can't win a freeroll and build a bank roll you can't be that good. Earning a living at poker is a pipe dream.

I disagree.

Freerolls are bingo fest. The ability to win a freeroll in no way equates to the ability to actually be a winning poker player.

DrTyore

I agree with Hobbes...

Gauging poker proficiency on freerolls is like judging how good a football player is based on how good he is at NFL Blitz....

Mark

STR82ACE

Hobbes and Mark are both dead on here. If you believe playing freerolls will make you a winning player, your wrong. They're totally centered on luck, nothing more.

Seriously though, you should consider improving your cash game steadily. Play tournaments as they are meant to be played, as one shot deals. Becoming proficient at cash games will increase your bankroll much more than winning the BIG MONEY tournament games.

dalini

There is no substitute for experience. Freerolls gives you experience with the game. Freerolls will teach you about loose agressive players and bad beats. If you can navigate your way through these land mines you are definately on your way to improving your chances of building that so called bank roll whether it be at a cash table or a tourney.

There is alot to learn about hold em and you can do it the costly way or the no cost route. People throw money away on slots and casino games all the time. Poker is just another area to do just that. Whynot play for free until you really know the game.

Spicol

dalini wrote: »

Whynot play for free until you really know the game.

Because freerolls, without real money experience or supplementary education via books and other resources, will only teach you bad habits. Seeing loose, idiotic play rewarded so frequently, you'll pick some of that up without knowing in the long run it's losing kind of play.

Besides, he hasn't said money is a problem here. Provided he actually takes the time to learn from his play and try to improve, he can see early losses from experimentation and practice as "tuition".

dalini

Part of being a Pro is money management. Depending on what system you subcribe to will dictate your approach. One money management sytem I am looking at is you divide your session into 3 plays of say $5.00 each. For each session you set a loss limit of 50% and a profit of %20. Your worse case is a loss of %50 percent of your roll or an increase of %20 overall. You are either leaving with 7.50 or more or you will have increased your bank roll to $19. There is alot of money management and discipline to becoming a pro. Knowledge of the game has to come before there is any pursuit of money. I believe freerolls will teach you the knowledge of the game with the added benefit of getting some real money to start that bankroll.

Spicol

dalini wrote: »

Part of being a Pro is money management. Depending on what system you subcribe to will dictate your approach. One money management sytem I am looking at is you divide your session into 3 plays of say $5.00 each. For each session you set a loss limit of 50% and a profit of %20. Your worse case is a loss of %50 percent of your roll or an increase of %20 overall. You are either leaving with 7.50 or more or you will have increased your bank roll to $19. There is alot of money management and discipline to becoming a pro. Knowledge of the game has to come before there is any pursuit of money. I believe freerolls will teach you the knowledge of the game with the added benefit of getting some real money to start that bankroll.

Just because you've divided your bankroll doesn't make it a money management "system". By your logic, I can play $1000NL, which is a ridiculous notion considering both that a completely normal downswing of cards will bankrupt me and it isn't my best game.

True, effective bankroll management allows for minimal risk of ruin in the face of a normal range of variance. A good, safe amount is debatable, but assuredly it's much more than 3 buy-ins at any game.

Also, I'll say again, buddy didn't say he wanted to go from $0 to pro. If he has some disposable cash, he doesn't have to suffer through the wickedly long learning curve starting with freerolls would face him with. This may be the strategy you're employing, and there is nothing wrong with that if it's fun for you, but it's a poor suggestion given this person's objective.

dalini

Thats not my my money management system it's a system from a gambling pro. Everyone has opinions on what to do and not to do. He admits he went bust and lost his money. That itself shows he can't be that good of a player or he lacks money managment skills. There is alot to learn in hold em. Putting your cart before the horse is not going to make you a money winning player. You need learn this game from all angles. Whether it be the basics, pot odds, knowing your outs, money management, bluffing, and whatever else that will make you a success. Risking your money is not going to teach you these things but playing alot of hands will. Whether you value freerolls or not its a good starting point without throwing your money away until you learn the game.

beanie42

tomson wrote: »

I am really trying to make a living from poker

tomson wrote: »

I tried cash, up down up down then completely broke. I tried sit&gos, but slow money.

Based on your apparent experience level (which doesn't even know whether you are better at cash or tourney), if you really want to make a living at poker, become a dealer.

tomson

Yeah I am finding that cash games is also really tough in up and down up and down... while tourny is slow and steady up, given that you're good at sitandgoes... so i guess it really does depend on the player.. i mean, i used to do good,, then i had a session where aces lose twice, kings lost once, a aq fullhouse lost to quads, even though i had a gut feeling... i mean given all this.. it is much easier to lose a lot of money in cash games.. where it is impossible in sitngoes... i guess it really depends on the persons characteristics and personality... if you are a tilting player... like me.. stick to sit&goes!
thanks for the advice guys

g2

g2 wrote: »

500 CPF bucks says this guy is not a spammer.

/g2

Booyakasha! Pay the man.

What's up tomson? Good to hear from you in a non-spammerrific way. Best of luck at the tables buddy, and hopefully you can get rid of that tilting problem

/g2

tomson

thanks for the goodluck! i probably need it!!

but yeah, i noticed, it is all slow money. Even cash is slow because of the downs which average out the ups... sit&go is also slow, but just more steadily going up.. atleast for me, i make 20 bucks a day.. which is nothing, but over a money it's 600 minimum... i guess...

fdart17

dalini wrote: »

There is no substitute for experience. Freerolls gives you experience with the game. Freerolls will teach you about loose agressive players and bad beats. If you can navigate your way through these land mines you are definately on your way to improving your chances of building that so called bank roll whether it be at a cash table or a tourney.

There is alot to learn about hold em and you can do it the costly way or the no cost route. People throw money away on slots and casino games all the time. Poker is just another area to do just that. Whynot play for free until you really know the game.

Don't listen to dalini, it will help your game :P
jk

dalini

fdart17 wrote: »

Don't listen to dalini, it will help your game :P
jk

And he should listen to you?? What have you ever won? Nothing! At least I can say I have won a freeroll, placed in the money a few times, won some sit n goes and overall for the time I have played I haven't lost any money. When you sit down at a poker table nobody is your pal. It's war. That said, this axiom bodes to this poker forum as well. Quit crapping on every thread with your garbage.

You want someone to buy into your advice do a print screen the next time you win a freeroll or some other form of tournament and post the picture. Prove your success. I will even go so far as the next time someone is at a cash table do a print screen to show how their stack is crushing compared to all the other stacks at the table. Proof is in the pudding.

:bs: alert!
:bs: alert!

Pretend experts abound.

fdart17

dalini wrote: »

And he should listen to you?? What have you ever won? Nothing! At least I can say I have won a freeroll, placed in the money a few times, won some sit n goes and overall for the time I have played I haven't lost any money. When you sit down at a poker table nobody is your pal. It's war. That said, this axiom bodes to this poker forum as well. Quit crapping on every thread with your garbage.

You want someone to buy into your advice do a print screen the next time you win a freeroll or some other form of tournament and post the picture. Prove your success. I will even go so far as the next time someone is at a cash table do a print screen to show how their stack is crushing compared to all the other stacks at the table. Proof is in the pudding.

:bs: alert!
:bs: alert!

Pretend experts abound.

This guy dosen't agree with the math of this game, thus, he is making a big mistake and missing a huge part of the game.. he will never be a complete player.
ROFL @ you.. you say i'v never won anything, how the hell do you know?
I will print screen shortly.

tomson

lol you guys are funny! but yeah, i understand the math ... it's the psychology of tilt that screws me! or.. a gamblers main problem... when to get off the table!! but one table sit n goes... so easy... and it ends and then i leave... simple. you know waht i mean?

woller

I cannot wait to check that site out lol. Money Management is key at least for me.