Are you call committed?
Here is a situation that generated a little bit of discussion in the Ching hill game last night.
Blinds are 20-40 and you are in the Small Blind.
Player A limps from late position.
It gets folded to you in the SB, you have 20 (four T5 chips) in the SB and are in process of calling. You do not say call but take one T25 chip and place it on the stack of four T5 chips and are in the process of getting your change (one T5 chip).
The BB pushes all-in. You still have the T25 chip in you hand for calling which is sitting on top of the four T5 chips that are in the pot. (You actually have all of the chips in your hand as you were picking up the whole stack to remove the one T5 chip for change.)
Have you called? Or do you still have options as you did not say anything and have not release the T25 chip into the pot?
Blinds are 20-40 and you are in the Small Blind.
Player A limps from late position.
It gets folded to you in the SB, you have 20 (four T5 chips) in the SB and are in process of calling. You do not say call but take one T25 chip and place it on the stack of four T5 chips and are in the process of getting your change (one T5 chip).
The BB pushes all-in. You still have the T25 chip in you hand for calling which is sitting on top of the four T5 chips that are in the pot. (You actually have all of the chips in your hand as you were picking up the whole stack to remove the one T5 chip for change.)
Have you called? Or do you still have options as you did not say anything and have not release the T25 chip into the pot?
Comments
ALthough I am a bit confused as you said you placed T25 chip on the 4 T5 chips but later said that you did not release it into the pot.
I thinks it's a call of the original bet.
Take your change and then you act.
There are four chips out there all on top of each other, with one hand you place one chip on the top and are picking up the whole stack to drop the bottom chip into your own stack and then placing the rest into the middle for play.
So you have not released your chip, but with chip and hand picked up all the chips.
No offense, Whitehorse, but that is a wee bit over the top considering the circumstances.
It WAS a league tournament, yes, but it's also a very comfortable fun league. We keep to the rules for the most part, but we also have serious discussions on defining the rules, which is where this originated from. This was just one of those things that happen at any home game sooner or later that needed to be clarified and reinforced. No one intentionally made a move to circumvent the outcome of the hand, just the situation was made apparent and a debate occurred. No harm no foul.
Are you serious? I'm asking if the SB is committed, as he didn't let go of his chips because the BB acted a little too quickly (by about one second).
The chip values have nothing to do with the actual question.
/g2
I did that as a taunt, nothing more. We didn't even look it up.
POTD.... I was laughing so fvcken hard reading this....... Since I know most of the players in the league I don't think this was as blazen an angle shoot as you are making it out to be. I still loved your response
When this happens I think of the scene in Rounders where Mike moves his chips in the middle, still has his hand on them, looks at the board, looks at KGB and then brings the chips back.
At another game I play at regularly, the rules are followed and when things are unclear the TD goes on 'intent'.
In this case, SB clearly intended to call and was in the process of getting change from his own stack. The fact that he did not say "call" is irrelevant. Verbal is indeed binding, but so is putting chips into a pot.
I doubt the SB could even announce raise if the BB hadn't acted out of turn. It would be a string bet then.