Can't Believe More People Don't Love Limit
Warmed up with some $10/$20
Texas Hold'em $10-$20 (Real Money), #694,810,548Table Memphis, 8 Aug 2007 11:21 PM ET
Seat 2: cdnmoose06 ($1,118.50 in chips)
Seat 3: muikku69 ($497.65 in chips)
Seat 4: WAPGM ($144.75 in chips)
Seat 5: yes chef ($575.20 in chips)
Seat 6: MERTLEBEACH ($850.45 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
MERTLEBEACH posts blind ($5), cdnmoose06 posts blind ($10).
PRE-FLOP
muikku69 calls $10, WAPGM folds, yes chef folds, MERTLEBEACH calls $5, cdnmoose06 bets $10, muikku69 bets $20, MERTLEBEACH calls $20, cdnmoose06 bets $20, muikku69 calls $10, MERTLEBEACH calls $10.
FLOP [board cards 7S,AC,9S ]
MERTLEBEACH checks, cdnmoose06 bets $10, muikku69 calls $10, MERTLEBEACH calls $10.
Capped preflop but the guy goes into check/call down mode and never tries to see where he is at by popping the flop. Terrible.
TURN [board cards 7S,AC,9S,QC ]
MERTLEBEACH checks, cdnmoose06 bets $20, muikku69 bets $40, MERTLEBEACH folds, cdnmoose06 bets $40, muikku69 calls $20.
Ok it was a bizarre slow play and tried for the pop on the turn, gets repopped and still doesn't fold. Horrible.
RIVER [board cards 7S,AC,9S,QC,7H ]
cdnmoose06 bets $20, muikku69 calls $20.
SHOWDOWN
cdnmoose06 shows [ AH,QH ]
muikku69 mucks cards [ JC,AS ]
cdnmoose06 wins $307.
Found a $25/$50 game tonight that seemed pretty loose and crazy so decided to give a shot for the first time ever.
This was my first hand. Didn't take long to realize there was plenty of dead money at this level.
Texas Hold'em $25-$50 (Real Money), #694,773,182Table Chemnitz, 8 Aug 2007 10:52 PM ET
Seat 2: ftghdd ($3,864 in chips)
Seat 3: Ozzthor ($579 in chips)
Seat 4: _Fatal_ ($1,976 in chips)
Seat 5: Toews ($1,262.50 in chips)
Seat 6: schruebi ($1,514.30 in chips)
Seat 7: Lepakko1 ($1,316.15 in chips)
Seat 8: cdnmoose06 ($2,000 in chips)
Seat 9: Helmmi ($2,402 in chips)
Seat 10: sniffer13 ($865.55 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
sniffer13 posts blind ($12.50), ftghdd posts blind ($25), cdnmoose06 posts blind ($25).
PRE-FLOP
Ozzthor folds, _Fatal_ folds, Toews bets $50, schruebi folds, Lepakko1 folds, cdnmoose06 calls $25, Helmmi folds, sniffer13 calls $37.50, ftghdd calls $25.
Ok bit of a loose call (see my cards below) but 1st hand, I don't mind the opportunity to show people that maybe I am a bit of a loose nit, plus I will have position.
FLOP [board cards 2S,10S,3S ]
sniffer13 checks, ftghdd checks, Toews bets $25, cdnmoose06 bets $50, sniffer13 folds, ftghdd folds, Toews calls $25.
Such a weak flush gotta protect my hand, and pray for the 4S.
TURN [board cards 2S,10S,3S,4C ]
Toews checks, cdnmoose06 bets $50, Toews calls $50.
4C ooh so close.
RIVER [board cards 2S,10S,3S,4C,7C ]
Toews checks, cdnmoose06 bets $50, Toews calls $50.
SHOWDOWN
cdnmoose06 shows [ 6S,5S ]
Toews mucks cards [ JS,AC ]
cdnmoose06 wins $497.
That's right buddy, I raised the preflop raiser on the flop with pure air that was A9 or worse. Nice call down.
By the way I didn't lose that money. Hollywood Poker locked up on me and I had to reset and buy back in.
Texas Hold'em $25-$50 (Real Money), #694,856,514
Table Chemnitz, 9 Aug 2007 12:00 AM ET
Seat 1: I_Luv_Sushi3 ($1,136.45 in chips)
Seat 3: Ozzthor ($1,307 in chips)
Seat 4: _Fatal_ ($1,529.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Toews ($1,029 in chips)
Seat 6: yes chef ($572.70 in chips)
Seat 7: Lepakko1 ($1,494.90 in chips)
Seat 8: cdnmoose06 ($1,909.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Helmmi ($1,808.95 in chips)
Seat 10: sniffer13 ($908.30 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Helmmi posts blind ($12.50), sniffer13 posts blind ($25).
PRE-FLOP
I_Luv_Sushi3 folds, Ozzthor folds, _Fatal_ folds, Toews folds, yes chef bets $50, Lepakko1 folds, cdnmoose06 bets $75, Helmmi folds, sniffer13 calls $50, yes chef calls $25.
Chef could easily have a wide range here so I decide to 3 bet my 99 to isolate from the button but sniffer colds calls 2 bets. We will see in the last hand what a great player he is. Chef just calls, so that eliminates most of the bigger hands. Hopefully it is a smaller pair than me.
FLOP [board cards 8S,6H,10S ]
sniffer13 checks, yes chef checks, cdnmoose06 bets $25, sniffer13 calls $25, yes chef calls $25.
TURN [board cards 8S,6H,10S,AS ]
sniffer13 checks, yes chef checks, cdnmoose06 bets $50, sniffer13 calls $50, yes chef calls $50.
Maybe you can pick on me for firing here but hadn't met any aggression so figured, might as well represent the A plus the spade draw and see if I get raised or not. Two callers. Ok not good. Ready to check/fold the river, but I manage to connect.
RIVER [board cards 8S,6H,10S,AS,7H ]
sniffer13 checks, yes chef checks, cdnmoose06 bets $50, sniffer13 calls $50, yes chef folds.
Never got popped on the turn, so figured my straight must be good here.
SHOWDOWN
cdnmoose06 shows [ 9H,9S ]
sniffer13 mucks cards [ AC,QD ]
cdnmoose06 wins $559.50.
WTF was with the check/call on the turn? BAAAAD. So BAAAAD these players.
Texas Hold'em $25-$50 (Real Money), #694,872,612Table Chemnitz, 9 Aug 2007 12:13 AM ET
Seat 3: Ozzthor ($1,488.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Toews ($1,576.50 in chips)
Seat 6: yes chef ($616.70 in chips)
Seat 7: Lepakko1 ($1,116.90 in chips)
Seat 8: cdnmoose06 ($2,044 in chips)
Seat 9: Helmmi ($1,655.95 in chips)
Seat 10: sniffer13 ($789.80 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
cdnmoose06 posts blind ($12.50), Helmmi posts blind ($25).
PRE-FLOP
sniffer13 calls $25, Ozzthor folds, Toews bets $50, yes chef calls $50, Lepakko1 folds, cdnmoose06 bets $62.50, Helmmi calls $50, sniffer13 calls $50, Toews calls $25, yes chef calls $25.
Horrible slow playing by sniffer13, as you will see further down. He could have built me such a nice pot.
FLOP [board cards JS,5H,KD ]
cdnmoose06 bets $25, Helmmi calls $25, sniffer13 calls $25, Toews calls $25, yes chef folds.
TURN [board cards JS,5H,KD,KC ]
cdnmoose06 bets $50, Helmmi folds, sniffer13 calls $50, Toews folds.
Bingo. Just praying someone has a King here. One caller, ok not bad.
RIVER [board cards JS,5H,KD,KC,9S ]
cdnmoose06 bets $50, sniffer13 calls $50.
SHOWDOWN
cdnmoose06 shows [ JD,JH ]
sniffer13 mucks cards [ AS,AC ]
cdnmoose06 wins $672.
Nice pot to wrap up the night. What a terrible way to play AA. For crying out loud, I 3 bet my jacks from the small blind and this dude never raised once.
Texas Hold'em $10-$20 (Real Money), #694,810,548Table Memphis, 8 Aug 2007 11:21 PM ET
Seat 2: cdnmoose06 ($1,118.50 in chips)
Seat 3: muikku69 ($497.65 in chips)
Seat 4: WAPGM ($144.75 in chips)
Seat 5: yes chef ($575.20 in chips)
Seat 6: MERTLEBEACH ($850.45 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDSMERTLEBEACH posts blind ($5), cdnmoose06 posts blind ($10).
PRE-FLOP
muikku69 calls $10, WAPGM folds, yes chef folds, MERTLEBEACH calls $5, cdnmoose06 bets $10, muikku69 bets $20, MERTLEBEACH calls $20, cdnmoose06 bets $20, muikku69 calls $10, MERTLEBEACH calls $10.
FLOP [board cards 7S,AC,9S ]
MERTLEBEACH checks, cdnmoose06 bets $10, muikku69 calls $10, MERTLEBEACH calls $10.
Capped preflop but the guy goes into check/call down mode and never tries to see where he is at by popping the flop. Terrible.
TURN [board cards 7S,AC,9S,QC ]
MERTLEBEACH checks, cdnmoose06 bets $20, muikku69 bets $40, MERTLEBEACH folds, cdnmoose06 bets $40, muikku69 calls $20.
Ok it was a bizarre slow play and tried for the pop on the turn, gets repopped and still doesn't fold. Horrible.
RIVER [board cards 7S,AC,9S,QC,7H ]
cdnmoose06 bets $20, muikku69 calls $20.
SHOWDOWN
cdnmoose06 shows [ AH,QH ]
muikku69 mucks cards [ JC,AS ]
cdnmoose06 wins $307.
Found a $25/$50 game tonight that seemed pretty loose and crazy so decided to give a shot for the first time ever.
This was my first hand. Didn't take long to realize there was plenty of dead money at this level.
Texas Hold'em $25-$50 (Real Money), #694,773,182Table Chemnitz, 8 Aug 2007 10:52 PM ET
Seat 2: ftghdd ($3,864 in chips)Seat 3: Ozzthor ($579 in chips)
Seat 4: _Fatal_ ($1,976 in chips)
Seat 5: Toews ($1,262.50 in chips)
Seat 6: schruebi ($1,514.30 in chips)
Seat 7: Lepakko1 ($1,316.15 in chips)
Seat 8: cdnmoose06 ($2,000 in chips)
Seat 9: Helmmi ($2,402 in chips)
Seat 10: sniffer13 ($865.55 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDSsniffer13 posts blind ($12.50), ftghdd posts blind ($25), cdnmoose06 posts blind ($25).
PRE-FLOP
Ozzthor folds, _Fatal_ folds, Toews bets $50, schruebi folds, Lepakko1 folds, cdnmoose06 calls $25, Helmmi folds, sniffer13 calls $37.50, ftghdd calls $25.
Ok bit of a loose call (see my cards below) but 1st hand, I don't mind the opportunity to show people that maybe I am a bit of a loose nit, plus I will have position.
FLOP [board cards 2S,10S,3S ]
sniffer13 checks, ftghdd checks, Toews bets $25, cdnmoose06 bets $50, sniffer13 folds, ftghdd folds, Toews calls $25.
Such a weak flush gotta protect my hand, and pray for the 4S.
TURN [board cards 2S,10S,3S,4C ]
Toews checks, cdnmoose06 bets $50, Toews calls $50.
4C ooh so close.
RIVER [board cards 2S,10S,3S,4C,7C ]
Toews checks, cdnmoose06 bets $50, Toews calls $50.
SHOWDOWN
cdnmoose06 shows [ 6S,5S ]
Toews mucks cards [ JS,AC ]
cdnmoose06 wins $497.
That's right buddy, I raised the preflop raiser on the flop with pure air that was A9 or worse. Nice call down.
By the way I didn't lose that money. Hollywood Poker locked up on me and I had to reset and buy back in.
Texas Hold'em $25-$50 (Real Money), #694,856,514
Table Chemnitz, 9 Aug 2007 12:00 AM ET
Seat 1: I_Luv_Sushi3 ($1,136.45 in chips)
Seat 3: Ozzthor ($1,307 in chips)
Seat 4: _Fatal_ ($1,529.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Toews ($1,029 in chips)
Seat 6: yes chef ($572.70 in chips)
Seat 7: Lepakko1 ($1,494.90 in chips)
Seat 8: cdnmoose06 ($1,909.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Helmmi ($1,808.95 in chips)
Seat 10: sniffer13 ($908.30 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDSHelmmi posts blind ($12.50), sniffer13 posts blind ($25).
PRE-FLOP
I_Luv_Sushi3 folds, Ozzthor folds, _Fatal_ folds, Toews folds, yes chef bets $50, Lepakko1 folds, cdnmoose06 bets $75, Helmmi folds, sniffer13 calls $50, yes chef calls $25.
Chef could easily have a wide range here so I decide to 3 bet my 99 to isolate from the button but sniffer colds calls 2 bets. We will see in the last hand what a great player he is. Chef just calls, so that eliminates most of the bigger hands. Hopefully it is a smaller pair than me.
FLOP [board cards 8S,6H,10S ]
sniffer13 checks, yes chef checks, cdnmoose06 bets $25, sniffer13 calls $25, yes chef calls $25.
TURN [board cards 8S,6H,10S,AS ]
sniffer13 checks, yes chef checks, cdnmoose06 bets $50, sniffer13 calls $50, yes chef calls $50.
Maybe you can pick on me for firing here but hadn't met any aggression so figured, might as well represent the A plus the spade draw and see if I get raised or not. Two callers. Ok not good. Ready to check/fold the river, but I manage to connect.
RIVER [board cards 8S,6H,10S,AS,7H ]
sniffer13 checks, yes chef checks, cdnmoose06 bets $50, sniffer13 calls $50, yes chef folds.
Never got popped on the turn, so figured my straight must be good here.
SHOWDOWN
cdnmoose06 shows [ 9H,9S ]
sniffer13 mucks cards [ AC,QD ]
cdnmoose06 wins $559.50.
WTF was with the check/call on the turn? BAAAAD. So BAAAAD these players.
Texas Hold'em $25-$50 (Real Money), #694,872,612Table Chemnitz, 9 Aug 2007 12:13 AM ET
Seat 3: Ozzthor ($1,488.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Toews ($1,576.50 in chips)
Seat 6: yes chef ($616.70 in chips)
Seat 7: Lepakko1 ($1,116.90 in chips)
Seat 8: cdnmoose06 ($2,044 in chips)
Seat 9: Helmmi ($1,655.95 in chips)
Seat 10: sniffer13 ($789.80 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDScdnmoose06 posts blind ($12.50), Helmmi posts blind ($25).
PRE-FLOP
sniffer13 calls $25, Ozzthor folds, Toews bets $50, yes chef calls $50, Lepakko1 folds, cdnmoose06 bets $62.50, Helmmi calls $50, sniffer13 calls $50, Toews calls $25, yes chef calls $25.
Horrible slow playing by sniffer13, as you will see further down. He could have built me such a nice pot.
FLOP [board cards JS,5H,KD ]
cdnmoose06 bets $25, Helmmi calls $25, sniffer13 calls $25, Toews calls $25, yes chef folds.
TURN [board cards JS,5H,KD,KC ]
cdnmoose06 bets $50, Helmmi folds, sniffer13 calls $50, Toews folds.
Bingo. Just praying someone has a King here. One caller, ok not bad.
RIVER [board cards JS,5H,KD,KC,9S ]
cdnmoose06 bets $50, sniffer13 calls $50.
SHOWDOWN
cdnmoose06 shows [ JD,JH ]
sniffer13 mucks cards [ AS,AC ]
cdnmoose06 wins $672.
Nice pot to wrap up the night. What a terrible way to play AA. For crying out loud, I 3 bet my jacks from the small blind and this dude never raised once.
Comments
I would assume that calling down light is more prevalent in games ruled by ruthless aggression like high stakes limit games are..
Also, Hand #1 seems like WA/WB on the flop.. he was waiting for a safe turn to pop you..
Besides isn't the AA hand one of the worst played AA you have ever seen?
I also fully admit I got extremely lucky on many of these hands, but I wasn't calling down behind or check/calling superior hands.
Texas Hold'em $5-$10 (real money), hand #699,072,891
Table Lagos, 10 Aug 2007 3:39 AM ET
Seat 1: skorpion1118 ($276.35 in chips)
Seat 3: cdnmoose06 [ JH,JS ] ($217.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Gabig1 ($98.00 in chips)
Seat 10: MERTLEBEACH ($1,173.95 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Gabig1 posts blind ($2.50), MERTLEBEACH posts blind ($5), skorpion1118 posts blind ($5).
PRE-FLOP
skorpion1118 checks, cdnmoose06 bets $10, Gabig1 calls $7.50, MERTLEBEACH calls $5, skorpion1118 calls $5.
FLOP [board cards JD,3C,2D ]
Gabig1 checks, MERTLEBEACH checks, skorpion1118 checks, cdnmoose06 bets $5, Gabig1 calls $5, MERTLEBEACH calls $5, skorpion1118 folds.
TURN [board cards JD,3C,2D,6C ]
Gabig1 checks, MERTLEBEACH checks, cdnmoose06 bets $10, Gabig1 bets $20, MERTLEBEACH folds, cdnmoose06 bets $20, Gabig1 bets $20, cdnmoose06 calls $10.
RIVER [board cards JD,3C,2D,6C,AD ]
Gabig1 bets $10, cdnmoose06 bets $20, Gabig1 calls $10.
SHOWDOWN
cdnmoose06 shows [ JH,JS ]
Gabig1 shows [ 5D,6D ]
Gabig1 wins $173.
SUMMARY
Dealer: cdnmoose06
Pot: $175, (including rake: $2)
skorpion1118 loses $10
cdnmoose06 loses $75
Gabig1 bets $75, collects $173, net $98
MERTLEBEACH loses $15
I have to admit, he had me completely fooled by his turn cap with a pair of sixes. I guess what the 65 gods giveth in 25/50, they taketh away in 5/10
Texas Hold'em $5-$10 (real money), hand #703,197,127
Table Lodsch, 11 Aug 2007 1:42 AM ET
Seat 1: CXpercent ($272.50 in chips)
Seat 3: duncandu ($437.00 in chips)
Seat 4: coitinho ($293.40 in chips)
Seat 5: dirtyphone ($130.20 in chips)
Seat 6: Hairy40 ($265.00 in chips)
Seat 7: CND Beaver ($195.00 in chips)
Seat 8: _Zawisza_ ($318.00 in chips)
Seat 9: cdnmoose06 [ 2H,2S ] ($192.50 in chips)
Seat 10: kopu11 ($262.00 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
CXpercent posts blind ($2.50), duncandu posts blind ($5).
PRE-FLOP
coitinho folds, dirtyphone folds, Hairy40 calls $5, CND Beaver calls $5, _Zawisza_ folds, cdnmoose06 calls $5, kopu11 folds, CXpercent folds, duncandu checks.
FLOP [board cards 2C,9C,7S ]
duncandu bets $5, Hairy40 calls $5, CND Beaver bets $10, cdnmoose06 bets $15, duncandu calls $10, Hairy40 calls $10, CND Beaver bets $10, cdnmoose06 calls $5, duncandu calls $5, Hairy40 calls $5.
TURN [board cards 2C,9C,7S,5C ]
duncandu checks, Hairy40 checks, CND Beaver checks, cdnmoose06 bets $10, duncandu calls $10, Hairy40 folds, CND Beaver folds.
RIVER [board cards 2C,9C,7S,5C,4C ]
duncandu checks, cdnmoose06 checks.
SHOWDOWN
duncandu shows [ 6C,9D ]
cdnmoose06 mucks cards [ 2H,2S ]
duncandu wins $119.50.
SUMMARY
Dealer: kopu11
Pot: $122.50, (including rake: $3)
CXpercent loses $2.50
duncandu bets $35, collects $119.50, net $84.50
coitinho loses $0
dirtyphone loses $0
Hairy40 loses $25
CND Beaver loses $25
_Zawisza_ loses $0
cdnmoose06 loses $35
kopu11 loses $0
I was in this hand with you. I had A9 but no Clubs. BTW, I love limit!
CND Beaver.
Don't you just love Zawisza? How does he 6 table $5/10?
I had A9. Had to see how much everyone loved there cards. On the flush turn, I figured someone had the flush if not a set on the flop. So I left.
**** Hand History for Game 6235748243 *****
$1/$2 USD Texas Hold'em - Monday, August 13, 19:40:00 ET 2007
Table Table 125560 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: emday111 ( $47.50 USD )
Seat 2: deHammo ( $140.50 USD )
Seat 4: funk_monkey ( $34.78 USD )
Seat 5: Aceton666 ( $72.75 USD )
Seat 7: rodr42 ( $62 USD )
Seat 8: Abdodino ( $15 USD )
Seat 10: llobra ( $27.50 USD )
Seat 3: Acidjoe_63 ( $46.25 USD )
Seat 6: Mike_M007 ( $48 USD )
Seat 9: kermode9 ( $49 USD )
deHammo posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Acidjoe_63 posts big blind [$1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Acidjoe_63 [ 3c Qc ]
funk_monkey folds
Aceton666 folds
Mike_M007 folds
rodr42 folds
Abdodino folds
kermode9 folds
llobra folds
emday111 raises [$2 USD]
deHammo folds
Acidjoe_63 raises [$2 USD]
emday111 calls [$1 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 5c, Jd ]
Acidjoe_63 bets [$1 USD]
emday111 raises [$2 USD]
Acidjoe_63 raises [$2 USD]
emday111 calls [$1 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
Acidjoe_63 bets [$2 USD]
emday111 calls [$2 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
Acidjoe_63 bets [$2 USD]
emday111 calls [$2 USD]
Acidjoe_63 shows [ 3c, Qc ]a straight Three to Seven.
emday111 doesn't show [ Qd, Jh ]a pair of Jacks.
Acidjoe_63 wins $19.50 USD from the main pot with a straight, Three to Seven.
I wonder - I remember reading this in SSHE (Miller) about trying the check-raise when in early position and a bet from the cut-off/button in order to get everyone in between to pay even more for their draws. Is it really all that effective in a low limit game like 1/2 or 5/10 online?
Are there any good sh limit books out there?
I usually play 1/2 to 3/6. If your opponents are just knowledgeable enough to know what odds are, it is very effective at those levels with the right number of people in a pot (4 or fewer, generally). By check-raising, you've halved the odds of those left to play and backdoor draws or overcards become far too expensive to play and you'll force out some better draws as well. You're pretty much committing yourself to leading out on the turn though, if in fact you do get callers.
Of course, board texture is important here. You're likely not going to push out flush chasers at those limits, who seem to press on despite the math (damn the torpedos! I'm sooted!).
Sorry for cross-posting, but there's some good info here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=books&Number=11528085&page=0&fpart=1
They chase those flushes in No-Limit when they don't have the odds and you know they are drawing to it, why would they play different in limit?