Poker Stars Tourney Sunday

wader

Another Question
Blinds $75 and $150
I have QQ in early position and raise to $450
My immediate left re-raises to $1050(very tight player. two times just calls with AK) everyone else folds
Put her on AA maybe KK
I end up calling
Board Q-5-J two spaids I have none
I check
she bets $600
I raise to $1200
She goes all in with AA
I call
Rivers her A to win and takes all my chips
I think I played this correct after the flop, but should I have folded pre-flop because I was certain she had AA or KK???
There where about 1850 entries and there was about 1200 left.

Thanks
Wader

BBC Z

Well you put your opponent on one of two hands that make you a 4 to 1 underdog at best, so yes, your preflop logic was bad.

micr0be

if you were CERTAIN yes fold pre flop...but "certain" can be pretty blurry right

BBC Z

micr0be wrote:

if you were CERTAIN yes fold pre flop...but "certain" can be pretty blurry right

(very tight player. two times just calls with AK

I don't think it gets anymore certain than that... A very tight player who is suddenly jammin the pot preflop...

wader

BBC Z wrote:

Well you put your opponent on one of two hands that make you a 4 to 1 underdog at best, so yes, your preflop logic was bad.

Am I a 4-1 dog because those are the odds against me catching a set?

BBC Z

Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Ah 1381624 80.69 324624 18.96 6056 0.35 0.809
Qs Qc 324624 18.96 1381624 80.69 6056 0.35 0.191

Most of your possible winning boards are when you hit a set.. but you also win (depending on the suits) if the board 4 flushes/4 straights in your favour. In this particular case, QQ can win with a Flush but has a lower chance for a straight since two of the aces are accounted for.

Dave Scharf

I go bust with the hand almost for sure. I doubt that I can be certain enough that he his holding A-A or K-K to fold pre-flop. I probably call and see the flop. At that point, IGHN.

CanadaKev

A similar situation came up for me in this same tournament yesterday.
I was UTG and made the same 3x BB raise.
Here it was much deeper in the tournament and my stack was quite healthy and above avg.

The player who re-raises allin preflop is known to me as a very solid player, you guys who play a lot on pokerstars tournaments or big cash games would certainly have come across this guy "Tillerman". I didnt think about it long enough to fold, likely because i had enough to cover him and then some.
Thinking about it later on i should have folded. I just don't see it being possible that this player could make that move with a pair below mine.
I put him on either Aces, Kings or Ace-King.
Since i can narrow his starting hands to these 3 options, i probably should have folded??

PokerStars Game #686811810: Tournament #2491530, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) -
2004/09/12 - 18:54:24 (ET)
Table '2491530 109' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: GreenMan1 (18494 in chips)
Seat 2: BreckRider (36867 in chips)
Seat 3: The Grinder (33299 in chips)
Seat 4: TillerMaN (8845 in chips)
Seat 5: jjfunk (6735 in chips)
Seat 6: CanadaKev (13972 in chips)
Seat 7: ijsj2003 (8500 in chips)
Seat 8: $kgb{||}kgb$ (9207 in chips)
Seat 9: SJKennedy72 (39979 in chips)
GreenMan1: posts the ante 50
BreckRider: posts the ante 50
The Grinder: posts the ante 50
TillerMaN: posts the ante 50
jjfunk: posts the ante 50
CanadaKev: posts the ante 50
ijsj2003: posts the ante 50
$kgb{||}kgb$: posts the ante 50
SJKennedy72: posts the ante 50
TillerMaN: posts small blind 300
jjfunk: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CanadaKev [Qs Qd]
CanadaKev: raises 1200 to 1800
ijsj2003: folds
$kgb{||}kgb$: folds
SJKennedy72: folds
GreenMan1: folds
BreckRider: folds
The Grinder: folds
TillerMaN: raises 6995 to 8795 and is all-in
jjfunk: folds
CanadaKev: calls 6995
*** FLOP *** [Jc 3d Jd]
TillerMaN said, "gl"
*** TURN *** [Jc 3d Jd] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [Jc 3d Jd 9s] [Ah]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TillerMaN: shows [Kh Ad] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
CanadaKev: shows [Qs Qd] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
TillerMaN collected 18640 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 18640 | Rake 0
Board [Jc 3d Jd 9s Ah]
Seat 1: GreenMan1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: BreckRider folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: The Grinder (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: TillerMaN (small blind) showed [Kh Ad] and won (18640) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 5: jjfunk (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: CanadaKev showed [Qs Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 7: ijsj2003 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: $kgb{||}kgb$ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: SJKennedy72 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


If i win this hand I can cruise into the money with tight play.
I just wish the Ace snaps me on the flop so Im not already jumping around the room after the turn, screaming for a brick.
This tournament is a great one, time to keep my Sundays free from now on.

By the way the very next hand in the BB, it's raised and cold call to me, So i shoot in with AKo. The original raiser then reraises allin a few more thousand and cold caller calls again. The raising goon has AQ and the cold caller JJ.
I bust out here with no help.

Kev

wader

I just wish the Ace snaps me on the flop so Im not already jumping around the room after the turn, screaming for a brick.

I started laughing when I was reading this. My girlfriend thinks I'm some kind of freak when I jump out of my chair and start screaming at the computer......I guess she doesn't get it.

*how do you quote just one section instead of the whole reply???

NurseHoliday

you've got to delete the unwanted sections/words

wader

How do you that? I tryed highlighting them and pressing delete....but that doesn't work.

wader

wader wrote:

How do you that?.

I think I figured it out

Mark

Hi Kev
I had the same problem with my QQ. Was I to Agressive to go all-in so early in the tourney?? ((I would have played your Q's the same way))

PokerStars Game #686616461: Tournament #2491530, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV
(50/100) - 2004/09/12 - 17:28:54 (ET)
Table '2491530 132' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Brett Favre (2975 in chips)
Seat 2: EdCarver (2430 in chips)
Seat 3: kole1677 (2055 in chips)
Seat 4: j.pizza (6075 in chips)
Seat 5: Iguana (1840 in chips)
Seat 6: Silk Smoke (6610 in chips)
Seat 7: Timesmog (2235 in chips)
Seat 8: jomamusfat (1995 in chips)
Seat 9: tobyone (4170 in chips)
Brett Favre: posts small blind 50
EdCarver: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Timesmog [Qh Qc]
kole1677: folds
j.pizza: calls 100
Iguana: calls 100
Silk Smoke: folds
Timesmog: raises 300 to 400
jomamusfat: folds
tobyone: folds
Brett Favre: folds
EdCarver: folds
j.pizza: calls 300
Iguana: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [8h 4d Js]
j.pizza: checks
Iguana: checks
Timesmog: bets 1835 and is all-in
j.pizza: calls 1835
Iguana: folds
*** TURN *** [8h 4d Js] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [8h 4d Js Jd] [Ts]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
j.pizza: shows [Jh As] (three of a kind, Jacks)
Timesmog: shows [Qh Qc] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
j.pizza collected 5020 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5020 | Rake 0
Board [8h 4d Js Jd Ts]
Seat 1: Brett Favre (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: EdCarver (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: kole1677 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: j.pizza showed [Jh As] and won (5020) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 5: Iguana folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Silk Smoke folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Timesmog showed [Qh Qc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 8: jomamusfat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: tobyone (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Thanks for any comments
Mark