What is my next move?
Late in a tourney. 45 players to the money. Currently just over average stack. No read on the players left to act behind me, which are the ones I am worried about.
PokerStars Game #10699767393: Tournament #53512356, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2007/06/30 - 16:37:31 (ET)
Table '53512356 27' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: cdnmoose07 (13080 in chips)
Seat 2: bigshod (21410 in chips)
Seat 3: Brezi26 (36622 in chips)
Seat 4: brunton (13742 in chips)
Seat 5: Flatlus (17295 in chips)
Seat 6: paok1 (14932 in chips)
Seat 8: kimble83 (6625 in chips)
Seat 9: stilbury (3038 in chips)
cdnmoose07: posts the ante 50
bigshod: posts the ante 50
Brezi26: posts the ante 50
brunton: posts the ante 50
Flatlus: posts the ante 50
paok1: posts the ante 50
kimble83: posts the ante 50
stilbury: posts the ante 50
kimble83: posts small blind 300
stilbury: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cdnmoose07 [Ac Qc]
cdnmoose07: raises 1000 to 1600
bigshod: folds
Brezi26: folds
brunton: folds
Flatlus: calls 1600
paok1: calls 1600
kimble83: folds
stilbury: raises 1388 to 2988 and is all-in
Moose?
PokerStars Game #10699767393: Tournament #53512356, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2007/06/30 - 16:37:31 (ET)
Table '53512356 27' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: cdnmoose07 (13080 in chips)
Seat 2: bigshod (21410 in chips)
Seat 3: Brezi26 (36622 in chips)
Seat 4: brunton (13742 in chips)
Seat 5: Flatlus (17295 in chips)
Seat 6: paok1 (14932 in chips)
Seat 8: kimble83 (6625 in chips)
Seat 9: stilbury (3038 in chips)
cdnmoose07: posts the ante 50
bigshod: posts the ante 50
Brezi26: posts the ante 50
brunton: posts the ante 50
Flatlus: posts the ante 50
paok1: posts the ante 50
kimble83: posts the ante 50
stilbury: posts the ante 50
kimble83: posts small blind 300
stilbury: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cdnmoose07 [Ac Qc]
cdnmoose07: raises 1000 to 1600
bigshod: folds
Brezi26: folds
brunton: folds
Flatlus: calls 1600
paok1: calls 1600
kimble83: folds
stilbury: raises 1388 to 2988 and is all-in
Moose?
Comments
If the flop come 2 5 7 rainbow and you get action you know to get the hell out.
If they fold and the small chipper has you dominated you are still in ok shape odds wise (except vs AA which oh well - if he has AA good chance noone else has a hand that will call you anyways for all your chips).
Not a super fun situation but I am having a really hard time thinking of a flop you are very happy with that gets action post flop if you call. If 3 rags flop (good chance given the call call all in reraise action preflop) then you are in a really frustrating spot.
Shove!
I don't like folding because the reraise is too little, too much in there already.
Call, if someone did slowplay a high PP then they'll reraise, you fold & only lose an extra 1500 instead of 10 000 & elimination if you pushed. I like AcidJoe's logic.
The problem with calling is that you then hope noone else reraises after you, and if both do call you are now out of position with an all in and no sidepot with AQ hoping for a QQx or a flush on a flop (when you will likely get little post flop action), otherwise you are basically check folding.
I think calling here is basically giving up when you have the first opportunity to drive out hands by shoving and isolating the small chipper. If you are going to go with that approach then just fold to the all in as bad as that seems.
calling here is really bad imo because then if someone behind has a hand like 99 or TT he can shove to isolate and you would be forced to fold
Ok, as AcidJoe said, I called hoping it would go call call.
Flatlus: raises 14257 to 17245 and is all-in
paok1: calls 13282 and is all-in
Oops. No it didn't. Now what is my next move?
Doing some quick math here you have roughly 10K left with about 38K in the pot. About 6K of it is in a side pot that you are not eligible to win. So you can win 32K with a call of 10K. A little better than 3-1.
I can't see either of the 2 players behind you holding AA KK or AK and definitely not QQ when they flat called you pre-flop. Both likely are holding medium pairs and Flatlus may even be making a move with something like AJ here and trying to isolate with his push. Kind of crazy aggro play here.
I would think based on these assumptions you are really in good shape here against either of the big stacks hands and better yet you are getting great money on your call. Also if you take this down you are in the drivers seat as a huge stack.
I would lean toward calling here.
I flatcall with AA and AK sometimes hoping to re pop it ???
bad play right?
I would limp AA or KK once in a blue moon if the table dynamic warrants it. Meaning lots of aggression behind you still to act. The first caller here is in the cutoff so this doesn't make sense here. He is running out of people to raise it up.
ok now I'm gonna guess....
I think Flatus has: JJ-77
I think paokl has: JJ-99, KQs, AJ, TJs
maybe 22-55 cuz both are donks
Flatus: JJ-99, KQs, AJ, TJs
paokl: JJ-77
that's the right order I think
At least that's how I see it. Calling off your stack here seems bad, but it's pretty tough to give them credit for a bigger hand here. I grudgingly call getting 3:1, but more than likely would have pushed instead.
Flatus must think you're weak since you flat called the small stacks push, So he pushes with his flat calling hand hoping to isolate the dead money. ....
Paoak1 maybe senses that Flatus can push here to isolate and decides to get in on the action. ...
The only hands you're not getting odds to play against are,
AA, KK, QQ, AKs, AKo
What's the chance of that?
Most of the time you should *not* flat call with high pairs and AKo, what you don't want is a multi-way pot. AKs and AQs play well in multi-way pots. AKo and AKs like to all in preflop.
Everything else you're way more than 1 to 3 to win against.