Flopped quads in donkament
$20+2 party, the players in this are just plain terrible. Results are irrelevant, I got lucky and someone caught something. Do you like my line here, or should I be bumping it a bit against this many opponents?
***** Hand History for Game 6040092182 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 33832973) - Thu Jun 07 01:19:42 EDT 2007
Table 194033 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: TheBigH (5640)
Seat 2: Hero (7670)
Seat 3: Godster (3470)
Seat 4: vcobra2 (2540)
Seat 5: nightowl96 (2690)
Seat 6: easytom (1780)
Seat 7: lausfloh (3190)
Seat 8: ChinnyQ (2820)
Seat 9: DaddyTree (2880)
Seat 10: Siensi (6690)
lausfloh posts small blind (30)
ChinnyQ posts big blind (60)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7s, 7c ]
DaddyTree folds.
Siensi folds.
TheBigH folds.
Hero raises (300) to 300
Godster calls (300)
vcobra2 folds.
nightowl96 calls (300)
easytom folds.
lausfloh calls (270)
ChinnyQ folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7h, Kd, 7d ]
lausfloh checks.
Hero checks.
Godster checks.
nightowl96 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Js ]
lausfloh bets (120)
Hero calls (120)
***** Hand History for Game 6040092182 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 33832973) - Thu Jun 07 01:19:42 EDT 2007
Table 194033 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: TheBigH (5640)
Seat 2: Hero (7670)
Seat 3: Godster (3470)
Seat 4: vcobra2 (2540)
Seat 5: nightowl96 (2690)
Seat 6: easytom (1780)
Seat 7: lausfloh (3190)
Seat 8: ChinnyQ (2820)
Seat 9: DaddyTree (2880)
Seat 10: Siensi (6690)
lausfloh posts small blind (30)
ChinnyQ posts big blind (60)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7s, 7c ]
DaddyTree folds.
Siensi folds.
TheBigH folds.
Hero raises (300) to 300
Godster calls (300)
vcobra2 folds.
nightowl96 calls (300)
easytom folds.
lausfloh calls (270)
ChinnyQ folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7h, Kd, 7d ]
lausfloh checks.
Hero checks.
Godster checks.
nightowl96 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Js ]
lausfloh bets (120)
Hero calls (120)
Comments
No because I assume that you usually c-bet the flop when you PFR. You've got a King and a flush draw that may want to play. Why can't you play the hand the same way you would with AxQd?
His turn bet looks like a last ditch shot at the pot. $120 into a $630 pot? You probably won't get any money out of him here so you might as well smooth call and hope he catches a piece of something on the river.
Why did you raise 6 X BB prelop? It smells exactly like what you have. A weak pair or a weakish Ace. If anyone had any balls they should have re-popped you pre-flop and took it down.
Kyle is right, and a min. raise on the turn would have been about the ONLY way you could have played the hand worse.
Everyone likes betting out on the flop, I still don't mind my flop check here. It was the turn call where I figured I was playing the hand like crap. I certainly agree that any decent player see's a turn min raise as KK here and insta mucks. However, I don't seem to be playing against even half decent players here.
Reason for posting I guess was.... As played what should I be doing on the turn now?
As mentioned, results matter not because the hand played itself.
Dealing Flop ** : [ 7h, Kd, 7d ]
lausfloh checks.
Hero checks.
Godster checks.
nightowl96 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Js ]
lausfloh bets (120)
Hero calls (120)
Godster raises (1040) to 1040
nightowl96 folds.
lausfloh folds.
Hero raises (1840) to 1960
Godster raises (1840) to 2880
Hero raises (1840) to 3800
Godster calls (290)
Godster is all-In.
** Dealing River ** : [ 5c ]
Creating Main Pot with $7720 with Godster
** Summary **
Main Pot: 7720
Board: [ 7h Kd 7d Js 5c ]
TheBigH balance 5640, didn't bet (folded)
Hero balance 11920, bet 4100, collected 8350, net +4250 [ 7s 7c ] [ four of a kind, Sevens -- Kd,7s,7c,7h,7d ]
Godster balance 0, lost 3470 [ Jd Jh ] [ a full house, Jacks full of Sevens -- Jd,Jh,Js,7h,7d ]
vcobra2 balance 2540, didn't bet (folded)
nightowl96 balance 2390, lost 300 (folded)
easytom balance 1780, didn't bet (folded)
lausfloh balance 2770, lost 420 (folded)
ChinnyQ balance 2760, lost 60 (folded)
DaddyTree balance 2880, didn't bet (folded)
Siensi balance 6690, didn't bet (folded)
The answer to this is simple. I probably C-Bet this flop after being the pre-flop raiser about 90% of the time. You will never get a better flop to C-bet than this one.
Why would a draw probably not fold on a paired board? A paired board is the only spot he could be drawing dead
If you really believe this then why check the flop? Take'em on a one way bus to Valuetown.
I am not harping on you here. It is a good question and I think the answers that you are getting are solid.
I realize as well that you origionally were asking how to proceed on the turn and wanted an answer on that issue. Unfortunately the reason you don't know what to do on the turn is because you dropped the ball on the flop. 9 times out of 10 when you find yourself in a spot that you don't know what to do it is because of a mistake you made on an earlier street.
Good luck. Good question. LOL Donkaments
I want to get my stack all in.
What's the best method.
Seat 2: Hero (7670)
Seat 3: Godster (3470)
Seat 5: nightowl96 (2690)
Seat 7: lausfloh (3190)
Lets see. I have about 7K... but the effective stacksize is a max of about 3100.
Name of the game... get all of that lovely cash into the centre..
Do I break it into 3 chunks or 2 chunks?
2 chunks would be about 600, 0, 2500 (stop and go)
The idea here is you make a standard continuation bet of half the pot and then since you get called you check the turn to feint weakness .. and then you decide you ... make like you are attempting to steal the pot.
3 chunks would be something like 400 1200 1500, or 300, 900, 1900
Here you make a 1/3 pot bet probe bet. It's designed to reveal nothing about your hand but get the pot a little bigger.
It offers 4 to 1 so you are more likely to be called.
Huh?? What are you trying to do?
I like this line a lot.
I'm pretty sure I've read Negreanu discuss this exact same line. Maybe didn't put it in my playbook because he's lag and I'm not. However, I think this is the perfect line based on the table image I project. Good post Reef!