Card fell off the table - what's your call?

JimmyHo

At Rama, player A goes all-in, player B calls and shows trips at the flop; player A flips out and throws cards on the table (showing top pair with crap kicker), where one of his cards bounces off the table onto the casino floor. Is the hand now dead or playable to the river? There is $500 in the pot on a 1/2 table and the card bouncing on the floor is clearly an accident.

HP_John

I don't know what the official rule is but I don't think his hand should be dead. I'm not basing this off what I think the official rule is, only that it seems unfair to muck his hand for what's clearly an accident.

Royal Flush

I think it should be allowed

it was an obvious accident and wasnt he the underdawg?


so i think its fair and should be allowed. let him loose his money

Gogie

According to Robert's Rules of Poker: "If you drop a card on the floor out of your hand, you must still play that card."

See point 14 under "Irregularities" here http://www.pokercoach.us/RobsPkrRules4.htm

JimmyHo

the dealer called the cards dead and the guy flipped out; the poker room manager was called over and what do you think his call was?

compuease

Pretty sure that at all major card rooms the hand is dead...

FalkyBones

In the spirit of fairness, I would rule his hand is still live.

If the card went off the table during the deal,
it should be handled as an exposed card.

Hobbes

pokerJAH wrote: »

the dealer called the cards dead and the guy flipped out; the poker room manager was called over and what do you think his call was?

I would imagine that the dealer called it dead cause the gu flipped out and threw his cards (poor ettiquite)

In a home game, I'd leave em play. But I think the hand should be dead.

JimmyHo

the poker room manager was called over and he also agreed with the dealer; the card touched the floor so it is dead. Doesn't matter if the hand is worth $500 or $5,000, this rule still stands. The player would not accept this call since it was purely an accident on his part (although he did lose his cool and let the f bomb go a couple times when the cards went flying); he again insisted that a person with more rank than the poker room manager make the call. Another guy was brought into the mix and he decided to overule the dealer and the poker room manager and let the hand finish out. Moral of the story, when you have a questionable call at a casino, don't take the dealer's decision as final. You can always get the poker room manager or casino floor manager involved in the decision, especially when there is a lot of money at stake.

How did the hand play out; the turn was a Jack giving the card dropper three Jacks; he went wild with excitement when he realized he had trips and after all his effort, he felt justified in making such a big stink and making everyone wait for 10 minutes to get the issue settled. When we pointed out to him that the other player now had a full house, he was cool and confused. The river changed nothing.

Hobbes

pokerJAH wrote: »

Moral of the story, when you have a questionable call at a casino, don't take the dealer's decision as final. You can always get the poker room manager or casino floor manager involved in the decision, especially when there is a lot of money at stake.

How did the hand play out; the turn was a Jack giving the card dropper three Jacks; he went wild with excitement when he realized he had trips and after all his effort, he felt justified in making such a big stink and making everyone wait for 10 minutes to get the issue settled. When we pointed out to him that the other player now had a full house, he was cool and confused. The river changed nothing.

So I guess the Poker God's over ruled the floor manager then.

Animaux

Throwing the cards is not cool...justice was served (by the poker gods).

sweetjimmi

The hand would been dead in most rooms in Alberta and the jerk off would have probably been thrown out. I think that you are very wrong by siding with this clown. I have no patience for idiots that think they are dead only to realize that they have outs.

*If you are a jerk off then you lose...that should be the rule!



Note: I probably would have lost hands due to my rule!

cardsrusa

Technically the card would play since the dealer did not pitch it onto the floor. But as for the bad etiquette and dropping the F bomb several times. The player should have been asked to leave after the hand.

FalkyBones

i totally agree.

BoyBlue

i dont agree. the hand should have been dead. Mainly because he threw his cards, i mean what if it hit the muck and not the floor the hand would be dead there is no difference, if u throw the cards then u are risking it mucking or on the floor. if u risk and it happens then its dead and the rule should have never been over turned because the dealer has last say and the floor manager showed always back up the dealer and so on.