Books and systems
Hi all.
I'm starting off by saying this, just in case you didn't see my first post:
I'm not a forum noob, but I am new here. I'm not new to poker, but I'm by no means even remotely super at it. I'm not trying to spam, just wanting to learn. I know how to use the search button and yes, I have done so.
So, with that out of the way, here's my 2nd post:
I've been looking around for some more reading about poker. I searched here and I keep reading about Aces on the River and that its good, so I'm going to get it.
Now, here's something else .... I've been thinking about getting more poker reading material for about a week now so I've been searching and clicking away on the net (which is how I found this site). I ran across Micon's system and I would like some feedback (not on him, because he's done some stupid crap lately) but if anyone has any knowledge of/experience with his system.
What I like about it:
56 day money back guarantee
He's won before so one has to assume he knows about poker somewhat
What I don't like:
The advertising/marketing is too slick
He's a big f**k up at the moment in his personal life (possibly nothing to worry about if he keeps home life/work life separate)
He claims to be making $30,000/month playing poker, but I was on NWP yesterday and he was begging someone to bankroll him $50,000 to enter WSOP (wtf is that about? if he's making huge $$ then he should be able to bankroll himself ... possibly he's just going through a tough time?)
So, do the good points outweigh the bad? Any experiences/opinions would be great. Thanks!
I'm starting off by saying this, just in case you didn't see my first post:
I'm not a forum noob, but I am new here. I'm not new to poker, but I'm by no means even remotely super at it. I'm not trying to spam, just wanting to learn. I know how to use the search button and yes, I have done so.
So, with that out of the way, here's my 2nd post:
I've been looking around for some more reading about poker. I searched here and I keep reading about Aces on the River and that its good, so I'm going to get it.
Now, here's something else .... I've been thinking about getting more poker reading material for about a week now so I've been searching and clicking away on the net (which is how I found this site). I ran across Micon's system and I would like some feedback (not on him, because he's done some stupid crap lately) but if anyone has any knowledge of/experience with his system.
What I like about it:
56 day money back guarantee
He's won before so one has to assume he knows about poker somewhat
What I don't like:
The advertising/marketing is too slick
He's a big f**k up at the moment in his personal life (possibly nothing to worry about if he keeps home life/work life separate)
He claims to be making $30,000/month playing poker, but I was on NWP yesterday and he was begging someone to bankroll him $50,000 to enter WSOP (wtf is that about? if he's making huge $$ then he should be able to bankroll himself ... possibly he's just going through a tough time?)
So, do the good points outweigh the bad? Any experiences/opinions would be great. Thanks!
Comments
Username Games Played Av.Profit Av.Stake Av.ROI Total
micon 878 -$4 $92 4% -$3,888
micon played 874 games on stars and lost a total of $3,888
Most of the above games were playing the 100's
He's a winning player if the buyin is about $25.
He's about break even at the $50 to $100's
He loses at the 200's
I must admit I know nothing about his system.
What books have you read that you like?
Do you play NL? Limit? Tourny? Live?
What stakes?
Ace on the River is good. It tells you how to make and keep money as a pro. It's *not* mainly about how to play hands.
Barry wrote it as a chapter for super system II. Doyle told him it's too long to be a chapter but don't cut anything out - put it out as a separate book.
Thanks for the replies.
Super System (#2 is currently on order from amazon and should be here this week) and Negraneau's Power Hold 'Em Strategy are both books that I've enjoyed. Strategy with theory was great.
Normally I play online and very little live (see http://pokerforumcanada.com/showthread.php?t=11651 for more info on that). Usually N/L (1/2) and some SNGs (5 or 10).
I've ordered Aces from amazon also. And from that info, I will definitely NOT buy Micon's crap. Thanks again for the replies all.
practise..
practise makes perfect regardless and no one would ever be pro, without playing thousands of hands before.
let me know if i helped
if not sorry bud
Yup, if you ever play poker with all your opponents hands face up, you'll do great.
lol theres alot more then that, if you have ability to memerize how pro's.. aka people better then BBC play certain hands agaisnt people, and pick up on betting patterns etc etc...
bluffs etc, on when to in position etc..
but bbc i guess decides to overlook this, he must not have cable :S
LEARNING OFF OF TELEVISED POKER IS THE BEST METHOD POSSIBLE!!!
You can't pick up any of that information by watching isolated hands as they are presented on TV. You don't get to see the hundreds of hands that your favorite star folded or the straightforward way that he played the last 200 hands which led to the interesting play that made the cut to TV.
So y'know what? Go ahead, watch all that TV poker and continue to delude yourself into believing that it's helping your game.
We need more fish in the world.
I guess poker's gotten so easy to win at that you can become world class without even PLAYING A HAND anymore..
Yep, and if you could memerize english spelling and grammar in school as well, it would be helpfull.... You can't really be serious when you say you can learn anything useful from "edited" tv poker can you? Entertainment, not much more....
Books are fine to give you a more varied perspective, but there is no substitute for playing. However playing 1/2NL, 2-5 , 5/10 and up are all somewhat different games, requiring different approaches and skills. LH and NLH are different games, as are Stud and Omaha. Don't think that playing 5/10 cent online prepares you for playing live... Only the structure is the same, everything else is different...
As for books, I picked up Daniel Negreanu's first book "Hold'em Wisdom for all Players: Simple and Easy Strategies to Win Money". It's a very straight forward read for the beginner.
I also just started to read Dave Scharf's "Winning at Poker". This is also a well written book. For those of you who don't know, chech out Dave's website at www.canadianpoker.com.
Hope this helps.
Next time though, fight nice kids!
i also got antonion so sign my 2 cards i busted him with ( 10h, 6h )
yeah it's called "Shana Hiatt" Baby!!!
wasn't lucky enough to get on that bus
living in vegas for 8 months is fun tho,
Wow!
Details!??
I like watching high stakes poker for the entertainment value.
TV Poker has almost no relevance to what I do at the NL table which is let bad players stupidly call or bluff their stacks to me.
Studying tv poker to learn the game for me would be like trying to pick up tips for my social life by watching porn.
But I guess if you have the talents of a Baller/porn starlet then you probably move in different circles than I.
I call :bs: . No way a casino lets you take a live deck out of play.
http://www.pokerforum.ca/showthread.php?t=12553&page=2