I suck at nl post flop. These guys slapped me around like you wouldn't believe. I played most hands well, but I'll post a couple of the ugly ones. I'm all ears to constructive feedback.
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Full Tilt Poker Game #2470793705: FTOPS Main Event (15941974), Table 122 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:25:17 ET - 2007/05/20
Seat 1: JBT449 (2,645)
Seat 2: Quaternius (4,910)
Seat 3: Hero (4,520)
Seat 4: TheDudes (4,785)
Seat 5: Str8Forward (5,070)
Seat 6: dunkmaster2 (5,090)
Seat 7: Commodo (5,185)
Seat 8: gatorfan001 (8,885)
Seat 9: MakeLoveNotWar (3,910)
dunkmaster2 posts the small blind of 20
Commodo posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qh Qs]
gatorfan001 folds
MakeLoveNotWar raises to 140
JBT449 folds
Quaternius fold
Hero raises to 480
TheDudes has 15 seconds left to act
TheDudes folds
Str8Forward folds
dunkmaster2 folds
Commodo folds
MakeLoveNotWar calls 340
*** FLOP *** [8s Ad 3s]
MakeLoveNotWar checks
Hero bets 1,020
MakeLoveNotWar raises to 3,430, and is all in
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero folds
Uncalled bet of 2,410 returned to MakeLoveNotWar
MakeLoveNotWar mucks
MakeLoveNotWar wins the pot (3,060)
Flop%12,folded every hand for over 2 orbits..should be able to pick up the blinds..
Full Tilt Poker Game #2471775615: FTOPS Main Event (15941974), Table 87 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:29:43 ET - 2007/05/20
Seat 1: Ray Ross (3,850)
Seat 2: WiShIwUzThErE (13,620)
Seat 3: NicksNutz (26,390)
Seat 4: Hero (7,845)
Seat 5: ripper48 (15,005)
Seat 6: MeDaMan4Money (4,655)
Seat 7: mediaclown (18,832)
Seat 8: lockdownleo (8,830)
Seat 9: Kickstart (15,416)
ripper48 posts the small blind of 100
MeDaMan4Money posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero
mediaclown folds
lockdownleo folds
Kickstart folds
Ray Ross folds
WiShIwUzThErE folds
NicksNutz folds
Hero raises to 700
ripper48 calls 600
MeDaMan4Money folds
*** FLOP *** [4s 4c 5h]
ripper48 bets 400
Hero calls 400
*** TURN *** [4s 4c 5h] [Ac]
ripper48 checks
Hero bets 2,000
ripper48 calls 2,000
*** RIVER *** [4s 4c 5h Ac] [8s]
ripper48 checks
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero shows (a pair of Fours)
ripper48 shows [7h Ah] (two pair, Aces and Fours)
ripper48 wins the pot (6,400) with two pair, Aces and Fours
The blinds are now 120/240 with an ante of 25
I suck at nl post flop. These guys slapped me around like you wouldn't believe. I played most hands well, but I'll post a couple of the ugly ones. I'm all ears to constructive feedback.
Flop%12,folded every hand for over 2 orbits..should be able to pick up the blinds..
Full Tilt Poker Game #2471775615: FTOPS Main Event (15941974), Table 87 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:29:43 ET - 2007/05/20
Seat 1: Ray Ross (3,850)
Seat 2: WiShIwUzThErE (13,620)
Seat 3: NicksNutz (26,390)
Seat 4: Hero (7,845)
Seat 5: ripper48 (15,005)
Seat 6: MeDaMan4Money (4,655)
Seat 7: mediaclown (18,832)
Seat 8: lockdownleo (8,830)
Seat 9: Kickstart (15,416)
ripper48 posts the small blind of 100
MeDaMan4Money posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero
mediaclown folds
lockdownleo folds
Kickstart folds
Ray Ross folds
WiShIwUzThErE folds
NicksNutz folds
Hero raises to 700
ripper48 calls 600
MeDaMan4Money folds
...and you didn't so now you must be behind already...
...so why are you calling on the flop with no draw, nothing what-so-ever? The goal was to steal. When that doesn't happen, you don't change your goals. You can only raise or fold here.
*** TURN *** [4s 4c 5h] [Ac]
ripper48 checks
Hero bets 2,000
ripper48 calls 2,000
*** RIVER *** [4s 4c 5h Ac] [8s]
ripper48 checks
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero shows (a pair of Fours)
ripper48 shows [7h Ah] (two pair, Aces and Fours)
ripper48 wins the pot (6,400) with two pair, Aces and Fours
The blinds are now 120/240 with an ante of 25
Now you are just spilling chips. When he checks, you check. Hopefully he bets the river so you can gracefully fold without revealing what your steal range is.
What I don't get is this is just before final table. The big stack on your table folded, so you were above everyone else left to act. You obviously were willing to call a shove by anyone else so why didn't you just shove first? If that wasn't your intent for the hand then you should have folded on villian's shove. At this stage I can't really see weaker hands than yours, only calling. Unless you have been very aggressive and stealing a lot, unlikely a weaker hand shoves over you. So you must have been willing to take the flip, knowing you were behind, against 2 stacks, equal in strength to yours. Shove first and get more of the marginal hands (that are ahead of you) to fold.
Your comments and actions just don't match. If you were swinging for the fences by calling the shove, then you can't be disappointed with 10th. If you are disappointed with 10th then you should have folded. You would have been left with a healthy stack and still could have made the deeper money.
I am not commenting on which play is better, only that you should approach each hand with a specific goal in mind. Plan the hand out, play it to meet that goal and don't be disappointed with the result if the way you played the hand matches that goal.
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congrats on the seat and good luck!
Don't be playing 8-4 off suit again. I don't wanna see another thread bash you for your play.
Goodluck at the Main Event!
http://www.pocketfives.com/38496D60-6C69-4904-8EC2-2B8A16D90DE9.aspx
Dumb. Why give free info?
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Full Tilt Poker Game #2470793705: FTOPS Main Event (15941974), Table 122 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:25:17 ET - 2007/05/20
Seat 1: JBT449 (2,645)
Seat 2: Quaternius (4,910)
Seat 3: Hero (4,520)
Seat 4: TheDudes (4,785)
Seat 5: Str8Forward (5,070)
Seat 6: dunkmaster2 (5,090)
Seat 7: Commodo (5,185)
Seat 8: gatorfan001 (8,885)
Seat 9: MakeLoveNotWar (3,910)
dunkmaster2 posts the small blind of 20
Commodo posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qh Qs]
gatorfan001 folds
MakeLoveNotWar raises to 140
JBT449 folds
Quaternius fold
Hero raises to 480
TheDudes has 15 seconds left to act
TheDudes folds
Str8Forward folds
dunkmaster2 folds
Commodo folds
MakeLoveNotWar calls 340
*** FLOP *** [8s Ad 3s]
MakeLoveNotWar checks
Hero bets 1,020
MakeLoveNotWar raises to 3,430, and is all in
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero folds
Uncalled bet of 2,410 returned to MakeLoveNotWar
MakeLoveNotWar mucks
MakeLoveNotWar wins the pot (3,060)
Flop%12,folded every hand for over 2 orbits..should be able to pick up the blinds..
Full Tilt Poker Game #2471775615: FTOPS Main Event (15941974), Table 87 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:29:43 ET - 2007/05/20
Seat 1: Ray Ross (3,850)
Seat 2: WiShIwUzThErE (13,620)
Seat 3: NicksNutz (26,390)
Seat 4: Hero (7,845)
Seat 5: ripper48 (15,005)
Seat 6: MeDaMan4Money (4,655)
Seat 7: mediaclown (18,832)
Seat 8: lockdownleo (8,830)
Seat 9: Kickstart (15,416)
ripper48 posts the small blind of 100
MeDaMan4Money posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero
mediaclown folds
lockdownleo folds
Kickstart folds
Ray Ross folds
WiShIwUzThErE folds
NicksNutz folds
Hero raises to 700
ripper48 calls 600
MeDaMan4Money folds
*** FLOP *** [4s 4c 5h]
ripper48 bets 400
Hero calls 400
*** TURN *** [4s 4c 5h] [Ac]
ripper48 checks
Hero bets 2,000
ripper48 calls 2,000
*** RIVER *** [4s 4c 5h Ac] [8s]
ripper48 checks
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero shows (a pair of Fours)
ripper48 shows [7h Ah] (two pair, Aces and Fours)
ripper48 wins the pot (6,400) with two pair, Aces and Fours
The blinds are now 120/240 with an ante of 25
I'm not sure why you consider this a bad beat. Your opponent when all-in with the best hand; you called when you were behind.
Congratulations on the payout.
Was kind of wondering that myself.
Congrats on the money.
To expand my range and put said party on tilt...
...and you didn't so now you must be behind already...
...so why are you calling on the flop with no draw, nothing what-so-ever? The goal was to steal. When that doesn't happen, you don't change your goals. You can only raise or fold here.
Now you are just spilling chips. When he checks, you check. Hopefully he bets the river so you can gracefully fold without revealing what your steal range is.
What I don't get is this is just before final table. The big stack on your table folded, so you were above everyone else left to act. You obviously were willing to call a shove by anyone else so why didn't you just shove first? If that wasn't your intent for the hand then you should have folded on villian's shove. At this stage I can't really see weaker hands than yours, only calling. Unless you have been very aggressive and stealing a lot, unlikely a weaker hand shoves over you. So you must have been willing to take the flip, knowing you were behind, against 2 stacks, equal in strength to yours. Shove first and get more of the marginal hands (that are ahead of you) to fold.
Your comments and actions just don't match. If you were swinging for the fences by calling the shove, then you can't be disappointed with 10th. If you are disappointed with 10th then you should have folded. You would have been left with a healthy stack and still could have made the deeper money.
I am not commenting on which play is better, only that you should approach each hand with a specific goal in mind. Plan the hand out, play it to meet that goal and don't be disappointed with the result if the way you played the hand matches that goal.
I basically had to call...Most of my friends that are internet pros agreed with the call...