Dealer's responsibility in this situation?
Tournament / SNG format. 50% rule is NOT in play. For betting to be re-opened, it MUST be a full raise.
Here is my question (not specific, just generic):
-Blinds are 500/1000
-UTG raises to 2000
-UTG + 1 calls
-Button goes all-in for 2900
-Folded back to UTG
Now, here's the thing. According to the rules of this tournament, betting has NOT been re-opened for the original raiser to RE-raise. Most educated players know this, or know enough to ask the dealer. Is the correct course of action for the dealer to:
A) Indicate to the original raiser that his only options are to call or fold, and that he may NOT reraise.
Say nothing until asked and possibly allow the player to give away the strength of his hand by re-raising and THEN being informed that he can't.
I've heard 2 schools of thought on this. One, that the dealer should not say anything to ALLOW the player to make a mistake, and the other, that giving the player all of his available options is the same as saying 'Check or bet?'.
Thoughts?
Here is my question (not specific, just generic):
-Blinds are 500/1000
-UTG raises to 2000
-UTG + 1 calls
-Button goes all-in for 2900
-Folded back to UTG
Now, here's the thing. According to the rules of this tournament, betting has NOT been re-opened for the original raiser to RE-raise. Most educated players know this, or know enough to ask the dealer. Is the correct course of action for the dealer to:
A) Indicate to the original raiser that his only options are to call or fold, and that he may NOT reraise.
Say nothing until asked and possibly allow the player to give away the strength of his hand by re-raising and THEN being informed that he can't.I've heard 2 schools of thought on this. One, that the dealer should not say anything to ALLOW the player to make a mistake, and the other, that giving the player all of his available options is the same as saying 'Check or bet?'.
Thoughts?
Comments
Note though, that I purposely chose to say the "900 more to call" part first. This half second could allow UTG the chance to announce raise or all-in before informing him betting hasn't been reopened. Sneaky, I know, but I think it is fair.
Then I would muck UTG's cards because minraises make baby Jesus cry.
On further thought, if I was working as a dealer (i.e. not just a friendly home game) I would have said "betting will not be re-opened for the original raiser" right after confirming the count of the all-in. I would still say the same thing as above to the original raiser when action gets back to him.
/g2
9. A player, before he acts, is entitled to request and receive information as to whether an opposing hand is alive or dead, or whether a wager is of sufficient size to reopen the betting.
When I am working as a dealer at a corporate event or club, I will state something like "2900, all-in" and possibly "900 more to call" to UTG without giving away the rule beforehand.
If I am playing at an informal self-dealt game where many of the players are drunk and there are already more than enough arguments due to rules ignorance, I may state the relevant rule beforehand to prevent more post-action arguments. This happened at the cash games I played this weekend, where "Robert's Rules are made to be broken."
It's the player's responsibility to know and understand the rules.
Quite honestly, I think it's best if the player screws up (either trying to raise in this situation, a string bet, a binding verbal comment etc.)
This way, this player will only make this mistake ONCE.
I cost myself a big pot once by tossing in an oversized chip with no comment.
I fully intended to raise, but it was obviously ruled a call.
I have NEVER made that mistake again.
I firmly believe that if it had been allowed to be ruled a raise, I would not have learned my lesson, and may have repeated the error again.
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