Preflop action

ChuckielandChuckieland
in General Poker Chat
at 45 tourny, 20 people left
I have rough 3000 in chips
Blind is 100/200
action
UTG limp
UTG+1 Raise to 1000 (he had 2500 in chips, so that's raise is 40% of his stack)

UTG+2 Reraise to 2500 (UTG+1 and UGT+2 has been trading chips in a chicken fight way, he won a big pot off UTG+1 last hand) they like to raise and reraise each other, rest of the table just fold to them, no sense to be caught in this without a really big hand.

Don't really have a read on their hand strengh, as they have this personal duel against each other.
I didn't notice This
usually, small raise, small reraise, and small re-reraise....etc
This time UTG+1 push 40% of his stack (on tilt? just lost a big one to UTG+2)
UTG+2 put him all-in (that is not normal for him as well, but he could think UTG+1 is on tilt, and try to bully him)

then all Fold to me.
i have KK
I have UTG+1 cover
UTG+2 have both of us cover (Big stack on the table)
I am worry about two things.
1) AA
2) they could have an ace, and ace come on the flop.
would you push allin here with kk or just fold?

I push all in
UTG+1 JJ
UTG+2 AA
me KK
I got bust out.........
Next time, if i am in this situation, a big raise, follow by a big reraise. Does KK has good odds to put all your chips in?

Comments

  • JohnnieHJohnnieH
    1. The second re-raise is almost always Aces.

    2. Never be scared to get Kings into a pot vs. A-x.

    3. Could you post the actual HH? Your phrasing is a little confusing.
  • g2g2
    Chuckieland wrote: »
    I am worry about two things.
    1) AA
    2) they could have an ace, and ace come on the flop.
    would you push allin here with kk or just fold?
    You should only be worried about #1. #2 is just poker, when it happens just do your best to shake it off.

    Whether I push all in or not would depend on my read of the raiser/reraiser. You noted that they have a duel between each other. And that the raiser just lost a pot to the reraiser. So it's tough to put the raiser on anything other than a tilt raise. However, if the reraiser usually only reraises a small amount, then his push should be ringing alarm bells in your head... which you did note, so that's a good start.

    In the end though, I don't think I'm folding KK with 15BB and 20ppl left in the tourney. You're going to need to build a stack to make it deep. I play for the win and push.

    To answer your question, does KK have good odds to push. It usually does, it's only behind AA, which is 1 in 221.

    /g2
  • g2g2
    JohnnieH wrote: »
    1. The second re-raise is almost always Aces.
    If I understood the post correctly, there was only a raise and 1 reraise... no second reraise.

    /g2
  • JohnnieHJohnnieH
    g2 wrote: »
    If I understood the post correctly, there was only a raise and 1 reraise... no second reraise.

    /g2

    Oh, limp, raise, re-raise. But still, you know there's a Monster there somewhere.
  • g2g2
    JohnnieH wrote: »
    Oh, limp, raise, re-raise. But still, you know there's a Monster there somewhere.
    Yes, but if they've been duelling, you can't know it's AA and not AK/1010-KK.

    /g2
  • JamesJames
    Chuckieland wrote: »
    would you push allin here with kk or just fold?
    With the information you have given I would beat them both into the pot.
    Both of their ranges are too wide.

    Chuckieland wrote: »
    Next time, if i am in this situation, a big raise, follow by a big reraise. Does KK has good odds to put all your chips in?
    Situation Dependant.
    Stack Size/opponent's image/your image/your m-value/his m-value etc etc.
    The list goes on.
  • JamesJames
    g2 wrote: »
    If I understood the post correctly, there was only a raise and 1 reraise... no second reraise.

    /g2
    It's considered a "3-bet" which although contrary to my earlier post, usuall DOES indicate Aces in a straightforward ABC type player.

    Limp (1 bet)
    Raise (2 bet)
    Re-Raise (3bet)
  • g2g2
    James wrote: »
    It's considered a "3-bet" which although contrary to my earlier post, usuall DOES indicate Aces in a straightforward ABC type player.

    Limp (1 bet)
    Raise (2 bet)
    Re-Raise (3bet)
    I believe the pseudo-rule is "the third raise is always aces". Keyword raise, not bet.

    /g2
  • PokerAddictzPokerAddictz
    That sounds like it would have been tough to decide... but I think you made the correct decision...

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