Extremely stupid question from a guy thats bored

grazzt

Was asked yesterday what the absolute perfect 10 handed holdem situation preflop would be. Yes Im bored, and yes its a stupid question, so I played around with the poker checker on twodimes.net and this is one of the hands I liked:

Ad Ah
kh kd
kc ks
tc 2s
ts 2c
td 6c
th 3s
5c qs
qc 5s
7c 4s

Aces surely raises preflop, kings would probably as well, probably inducing 3 all in preflops, and the rest all folding. AA has 99.31% of winning, KhKd is drawing dead only to a tie (0.38% of that), and the other Kings have a 0.31% chance of winning. (needs 4 card flush in either black suit).

Yes, please berate me for being a geek and asking this question. Yes Im lame. I know it.

ScottyZ

Wouldn't it be better to give more players playable (but still counterfeited) hands so you have the possibility of winning more bets?

How about something like:

AA (red suits)
KK * 2
QQ * 2
JJ * 2
TT * 2
55 (black suits)

Possibly the 55 will fold pre-flop (maybe even the TT's will not like all of the pre-flop heat), and the fact that two 5's are out of the deck lessens the likelihood of the T-high straight.

The nice thing is that everyone (but the 55, if still around) has an overpair on all post-flop streets.

ScottyZ

Ventrick

I think a Better hand might be:

AdAh
AcKd
AsKh
KsKc
KdQs
KhQc
QdQh
JdJh
JsJc
2d7h

All very playable hands Pre-Flop and the only chance of beating the AA is a 4 flush in Black. And the 2d7h is definitely folding.

grazzt

Ventrick wrote:

I think a Better hand might be:

AdAh
AcKd
AsKh
KsKc
KdQs
KhQc
QdQh
JdJh
JsJc
2d7h

All very playable hands Pre-Flop and the only chance of beating the AA is a 4 flush in Black. And the 2d7h is definitely folding.

quite the nice deck there.. 6 kings? heh but i do see what youre getting at.. Still like my 99% chance AA preflop winning hand.

ScottyZ

grazzt wrote:

quite the nice deck there.. 6 kings?

Now *that's* being counterfeited in style. The KK has -2 outs.

ScottyZ

NurseHoliday

ScottyZ wrote:

and the fact that two 5's are out of the deck lessens the likelihood of the T-high straight.

ScottyZ

Speaking of counterfeit, any 10-high straight using a 5 would lead me to cash out my chips....and be sure not to accept any 3-dollar bills from the cage

ScottyZ

NurseHoliday wrote:

Speaking of counterfeit, any 10-high straight using a 5 would lead me to cash out my chips....and be sure not to accept any 3-dollar bills from the cage

Crap. You'd better change those pocket 5's over to pocket 6's then.

Or maybe just give a 3rd player a pair of Kings.

Well, if nothing else, this thread seems to have successfully turned some people's brains into mush.

i am a stuped

ScottyZ

grazzt

ScottyZ wrote:

Well, if nothing else, this thread seems to have successfully turned some people's brains into mush.

i am a stuped

ScottyZ

My job here is done.

G.

Ventrick

Heh I was at work and it was early:P

Substitute the KQ's for JQ's and get rid of the second JJ and.....hehe

vinsanity

Was asked yesterday what the absolute perfect 10 handed holdem situation preflop would be. Yes Im bored, and yes its a stupid question, so I played around with the poker checker on twodimes.net and this is one of the hands I liked:

Ad Ah
kh kd
kc ks
tc 2s
ts 2c
td 6c
th 3s
5c qs
qc 5s
7c 4s

Aces surely raises preflop, kings would probably as well, probably inducing 3 all in preflops, and the rest all folding. AA has 99.31% of winning, KhKd is drawing dead only to a tie (0.38% of that), and the other Kings have a 0.31% chance of winning. (needs 4 card flush in either black suit).

I had this happen to me once, except I was holding the kings. Needless to say, I had to rebuy.

MickeyHoldem

Here the Aces are up to 99.56%

Ah Ad
Kh Ks ---- let's give the kings equal chances to win
Kd Kc ---- I like to be fair if I'm stacking the deck!!

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folded hands
tc 5s
td 5c
th 4s
ts 6c
7s 4c
7c 3s
6s 3c

And if the dealer can expose the 8c (or 8s) during the deal we get 99.63%:D of course now the kings don't have an equal chance to win... oh well... life's not that fair!!!

ScottyZ wrote:

AA (red suits)
KK * 2
QQ * 2
JJ * 2
TT * 2
55 (black suits)

Possibly the 55 will fold pre-flop

Just imagine all those 'RPG'ers salivating:D I think this is a +EV situation for "presto" even though he doesn't know it!

ScottyZ

If the only goal is to maximize the win percentage for the AA, *and* we allow some hands to be designated as "folding hands", I think I can beat 99.56%.

ScottyZ

MickeyHoldem

Well gee.... I guess if everyone folds... the aces will get to 100%, but I assumed from the original poster that he was looking for something like this... similar to his list of hands.

Find me a game where people fold KK or play any of the hands I listed as folds and I'm there!!

ScottyZ

So, there is some kind of constraint on the minimum number of the opponents' "playable" hands (i.e. two)? Or maybe, being up against KK and whatever other hands you want? Fair enough.

ScottyZ