Casino Niagara: Dealer promoted to floorman right before my eyes.

BBC Z

It's been just over a year since the last dealer debacle, so I thought I'd give you guys another one to chew on..

(http://www.pokerforum.ca/showthread.php?t=6085&highlight=caesar)

So I'm donking along at 1/2 NL last night when this hand comes up.

I'm delt KK on the button with about $175 behind. 5 limpers. I bump to 15. Get two callers, including a new guy to the table, he may have been there about 2 or 3 hands not sure. Anyway, flop comes 2h4h5x, checked to me. I bet $35 and new guy goes all in. I insta-call and he tables two pair (2d5d if anyone cares).

The dealer deals the turn and river and I don't improve. Before cutting my chips out to the new guy, she noticed that he's sitting there with about $180 in chips. She asked him what he sat down with and he responds $160. This starts an argument between the dealer and the player about the table max buy-in ($100). Dealer then *RULES* than because he should have had only $100 infront, I'm only responsible to pay off $85 instead of the rest of my chips.

Newbie guy doesn't call the floor and accepts the dealers ruling and I keep my mouth shut and my money.

I'm a NL newb and am not down with the rules of betting nor Niagara's potential variations. I assume that I'm responsible for knowing the bet sizes and that the dealer should learn that her job is to deal cards and the floors job is to make rulings. Right?

And yes, If I was on the flip-side of this argument (and won the pot), I'd call the floor.

Whitehorse

Dealer was correct here...

Flint Bones

I guess the dealer's decision was correct but the floor should have been a final ruling. The player or the dealer should have called the floor. If it were me, the floor would have been called. My point would have been why was I allowed the start the hand with more than the buy-in? Shouldn't the eagle eyed dealer have noticed then?

$100 is the max buy in? Is this new? Why so small?

westside8

$1/2 NL has always been max $100. $2/5 at $200. Talk about short stacked poker...

13CARDS

So, the dealer should have no control of the table and call for the Floor in each and EVERY instance??? You'll get a lot of hands for your session fee that way! Our dealers are trained well enough to make the neccessary calls at the table. Disputes will be handled by the Floor.

BBC Z

So, the dealer should have no control of the table and call for the Floor in each and EVERY instance You'll get a lot of hands for your session fee that way! Our dealers are trained well enough to make the neccessary calls at the table. Disputes will be handled by the Floor.

1) It's a raked game
2) It's not the dealers job to interpret the rules, thats why they have 6 floor people walking around for 10 tables.
3) Most dealers AREN'T well trained enough to make the nescessary calls at the table. I've had MANY instances where the dealer asserted themselves in the wrong because they don't care.

Shouldn't the eagle eyed dealer have noticed then?

She made some excuse about the player blocking her view of his chips, which he wasn't doing at all.

Now, the dealer may have made the most best call for me.. but I find it hard to believe that the players at the table have no responsibility to protect their own stacks by ensuring that people who join the table meet the buy-in restrictions.

Question: After how many hands does his $160 becomes 'playable' then? If he was there for one orbit? two? twenty?

88Fingers

13CARDS wrote: »

... Our dealers are trained well enough to make the neccessary calls at the table. Disputes will be handled by the Floor.

I agree. Since no one disputed (verbally ) the dealers ruling, there was no need for a floorperson to be called.
By you not speaking up on any decision made by any dealer in any particular hand you are accepting the dealers decision.

BBC Z wrote: »

.. but I find it hard to believe that the players at the table have no responsibility to protect their own stacks by ensuring that people who join the table meet the buy-in restrictions.

I agree with this also. I have no trouble at all asking the dealer to do a chip count on a joining players buy-in. Many times I have been unsportsmanlike comments because of it - but as you said, I'm protecting my chips every way possible.