I hate Cash Game

Chuckieland

after blood bath in tournment, i went to cash game. i am only few cents away to clear another $20 bonus at full tilt. i endup losing them........
i can hold my own in tournment games, but cash game, i get killed so bad.
any feed back would be nice. thanks in advance.
I'll write less, so certain member don't have to complaint my english lol
First hand into ring game, no read on anybody
Full Tilt Poker Game #1747366574: Table Upland - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:17:10 ET - 2007/02/07
Seat 1: i9nite ($24.05)
Seat 2: sfinbar ($22.20)
Seat 3: 1 BlindFish ($7.60)
Seat 4: chuckieland ($10)
Seat 5: Terry MT ($23.75)
Seat 6: bigbadbrad7 ($25)
Seat 7: tucks99 ($22.40)
Seat 8: 3-1416 ($31.15)
Seat 9: lowlimitallstar ($24.90)
1 BlindFish posts the small blind of $0.10
chuckieland posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chuckieland [Ks Ac]
Terry MT folds
bigbadbrad7 folds
tucks99 calls $0.25
3-1416 folds
lowlimitallstar folds
i9nite raises to $1.50<-put him on Pair 22-99, because of big raise.
sfinbar folds
1 BlindFish folds
chuckieland calls $1.25
tucks99 folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc Ad 3h]
chuckieland bets $8.50, and is all in<-try to take it down there.
i9nite calls $8.50 <- I knew, he flop a set of 3s
chuckieland shows [Ks Ac]
i9nite shows [Qh Qs] <-Really suprise, cause big hand, usually small raise.
*** TURN *** [Qc Ad 3h] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [Qc Ad 3h 2d] [5h]
chuckieland shows a pair of Aces
i9nite shows three of a kind, Queens
i9nite wins the pot ($19.35) with three of a kind, Queens

Full Tilt Poker Game #1747510631: Table Upland - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:45:06 ET - 2007/02/07
Seat 1: i9nite ($31.95)
Seat 2: -SCOOPINGPOTS- ($9.95)
Seat 3: andy9376 ($22.95)
Seat 4: chuckieland ($9.65)
Seat 5: Terry MT ($25.05)
Seat 6: bigbadbrad7 ($25)
Seat 8: 176 761 ($35.70)
Seat 9: lowlimitallstar ($26.05)
i9nite posts the small blind of $0.10
-SCOOPINGPOTS- posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chuckieland [As Jh]
andy9376 calls $0.25
chuckieland raises to $0.75 <-try to find out where my AJ at
Terry MT calls $0.75
bigbadbrad7 folds
176 761 folds
lowlimitallstar folds
i9nite folds
-SCOOPINGPOTS- calls $0.50
andy9376 folds
*** FLOP *** [5s 8s 5h]
-SCOOPINGPOTS- checks
chuckieland bets $1.25 <-Prob bet
Terry MT calls $1.25
-SCOOPINGPOTS- calls $1.25 <- ok, nobody fold, i'm lost.
*** TURN *** [5s 8s 5h] [Qs]
-SCOOPINGPOTS- checks
chuckieland checks <- I'm done with this pot
Terry MT checks
*** RIVER *** [5s 8s 5h Qs] [Ks]
-SCOOPINGPOTS- bets $6.35 <-he has flush
chuckieland raises to $7.65, and is all in <-screw you, i have the nut flush
Terry MT raises to $12.70 <- 3 flush? Please don't show me a full house
-SCOOPINGPOTS- calls $1.60, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $4.75 returned to Terry MT
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Terry MT shows [8h 8c] (a full house, Eights full of Fives) <- SICK MAN, but well play. Why does people calling my raise pot with PP, always made the set?
-SCOOPINGPOTS- mucks
Terry MT wins the side pot ($0.60) with a full house, Eights full of Fives
chuckieland mucks
Terry MT wins the main pot ($27.85) with a full house, Eights full of Fives
-SCOOPINGPOTS- adds $0.05
-SCOOPINGPOTS- is sitting out
chuckieland is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $29.90 Main pot $29.30. Side pot $0.60. | Rake $1.45
Board: [5s 8s 5h Qs Ks]
Seat 1: i9nite (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: -SCOOPINGPOTS- (big blind) mucked [Ts Js] - a flush, King high
Seat 3: andy9376 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: chuckieland mucked [As Jh] - a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: Terry MT showed [8h 8c] and won ($28.45) with a full house, Eights full of Fives
Seat 6: bigbadbrad7 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: 176 761 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: lowlimitallstar (button) didn't bet (folded)

LVpoker

If this is a serious post, first I have to say that you are not sitting with nearly enough money to play properly at any of these games. I want to sit with a minimum of 100bb to allow myself to get away from hands and stack other players at the table.

For example, the AK hand you cannot get away from with your tiny stack, there is nothing that you can do. If you have more money infront of you then with experience you can get away from a single pair most times in a NL cash game. You can get away from a nut flush on a paired board, etc. This is the theme with all of your hands, there is simply not enough post flop play allowed with a short stack to get away from hands. Lower limits such as this are great to learn, but play at a limit that allows you to have the max buy-in for the table and to reload when you start getting short.

Chuckieland

LVpoker wrote: »

If this is a serious post, first I have to say that you are not sitting with nearly enough money to play properly at any of these games. I want to sit with a minimum of 100bb to allow myself to get away from hands and stack other players at the table.

For example, the AK hand you cannot get away from with your tiny stack, there is nothing that you can do. If you have more money infront of you then with experience you can get away from a single pair most times in a NL cash game. You can get away from a nut flush on a paired board, etc. This is the theme with all of your hands, there is simply not enough post flop play allowed with a short stack to get away from hands. Lower limits such as this are great to learn, but play at a limit that allows you to have the max buy-in for the table and to reload when you start getting short.

I don't bring enough to the table is because i know i just gonna lose them all!!!
I know this doesn't sound right, but cash game is not for me....

Hobbes

Chuckieland wrote: »

I don't bring enough to the table is because i know i just gonna lose them all!!!
I know this doesn't sound right, but cash game is not for me....

Then why play?
Either play at lower limits with the proper buyin, or you'll just keep loosing money.

I gotta sign up for Full Tilt

Furfy

2 questions:

1) Are you able to fold AK when an ace flops? If not, then good job by pushing your chips in instead of calling when HE bets. If you ARE capable of folding it, then you need to find out where you are, either with a smaller bet, or a checkraise. But again, you need a bigger stack to do that.

2) In the second hand, when you make nut flush, why raise on the river? I know that it's only about a buck more, but still? If your stack was $40 and the bet was the same, around $6, then what would you do. If you're still raising, that's a problem. A lower flush folds, and you only get called by a hand that beats you, like a full house. Raising has no value.

Chuckieland

Hobbes wrote: »

Then why play?
Either play at lower limits with the proper buyin, or you'll just keep loosing money.

I gotta sign up for Full Tilt

as i say, i am few cents away from clear another $20 bonus. i didn't feel like to do another tournment, because it's 3AM.
yo, if you are gonna signup at fulltilt, PM me ^^ let me get some of that referral bonus. i'll transfer 50% of bonus to you. (once it clear)

Chuckieland

Furfy wrote: »

2 questions:

1) Are you able to fold AK when an ace flops? If not, then good job by pushing your chips in instead of calling when HE bets. If you ARE capable of folding it, then you need to find out where you are, either with a smaller bet, or a checkraise. But again, you need a bigger stack to do that.
yes, i am able to fold AK when ace flop, but put him on the wrong hand. also, after i find out where i am, i don't have much left.

2) In the second hand, when you make nut flush, why raise on the river? I know that it's only about a buck more, but still? If your stack was $40 and the bet was the same, around $6, then what would you do. If you're still raising, that's a problem. A lower flush folds, and you only get called by a hand that beats you, like a full house. Raising has no value.

i was try to sell my hand for the max value, I believe the flush guy will still call(as he did call the reraise by the fullhouse guy).
The full house guy, I put him on A5 or A8. I believe he will call my raise with A5 and fold with A8.
I wasn't expect him to have 88 until he reraise at the end, I got out play.
I was thinking to get my money back from previous bust, i wasn't thinking about poker........

Hobbes

Chuckieland wrote: »

as i say, i am few cents away from clear another $20 bonus. i didn't feel like to do another tournment, because it's 3AM.
yo, if you are gonna signup at fulltilt, PM me ^^ let me get some of that referral bonus. i'll transfer 50% of bonus to you. (once it clear)

If you know that you are not good at cash games and only a few cents away from the bonus, why not post and fold your way or play a limit game.
You should be able to generate the rake requirement.

Zithal

Agree with the above posters. The biggest issue is the amount of money you're bringing to the table. It looks like you buy in for $10, so I recommend finding a $0.05/$0.10 NL table if they have it.

With such a short stack, it's only taking a pre-flop raise and a continuation bet to effectively commit yourself to the pot, which means you can't be playing good poker.

For example, in the first example, another way to play it is to check to the pre-flop raiser as, like you did in example 2, most players will make a continuation bet. Check-raise there and find out where you're at. If you have $10, the C-R play on the flop commits you to the pot if he re-raises back, while having a deeper stack of $25 start means it WAY easier to fold if you get re-reraised after your C-R.

JimmyHo

I would suggest reading Angel's book on low limit NLH. Very good read and it will give you a new perspective on cash games. I am starting to show a consistent profit in cash games and mostly from suited connectors, small pairs, etc. AK, AJ is old school. btw, its hard to get away from top pair with K kicker. Supreme has a lot of 0.05/010 tables where the max buy-in is $10. You can make a decent profit even at these levels and you have a lot of room to play.

Bobsi38127

Going on a short buy does give u a disadvantage in terms of stack size, but itz easier to recoup losses faster on the 2nd or 3rd buy, whereas if u bring 100bbs, it can be a daunting task to grind back (almost impossible really) by the 3rd buyin. Short buying also gets u to be a little more disciplined on which pots to play, prevents wrecklessness cuz u know each pot ur comitting so much so a solid hand is required.

AcidJoe

pokerJah is 100% correct. MOney can be made playing low limits on places like supreme by playing good poker. I took my freeroll winnings on supreme to over $200 playing very low limit poker. If you are going to buy in short, it becomes a push or fold game. don't even try to play poker.

JimmyHo

AcidJoe wrote: »

I took my freeroll winnings on supreme to over $200 playing very low limit poker.

I'm up to about $140 from my freeroll winnings. About a $40 profit on the 0.05/0.10 tables but I don't play that much. Haven't been blind sighted for a couple sessions which is good. Slow patient poker usually results in a positive session, although the return is pretty small most of the time. Too many players getting all excited over ak, etc. and when they hit top pair, they fall in love with their hands only to get crushed by trip 2s, bottom two pairs. I love it when I get accused of playing trash after taking all their money... can you say rebuy!