Clinch Scenarios being the Slight Favourite

Bobsi38127

This isn't a bad beat story or how many times my aces got cracked in the past 10 seconds, so don't worry. I wanna discuss about where u draw the line between u being the slight favourite and calling based on a perfect read or folding to a substantial draw? Ok, let's say the stakes are 1-2 NL 9 handed and 2 ppl gone from the table for typical leaving reasons, it's an active table min raise PF usually 10-20 on top
Seat 1: $400
Seat 2: $175 YOU
Seat 3: $350 (D) - Tight player overplays draws and medium hands, checkraises whenever he has the chance.
Seat 4: $100 SB
Seat 5: $250 BB Loose player, always calls w/ medium hands on raises (KJ, or K,T)
Seat 6: $80
Seat 7: $100

Seat 6 folds, Seat 7 calls, Seat 1 calls
You get AS,KH, you make it $22
Seat 3 calls, Seat 5 calls
Flop: 6C,3S,AD
Seat 5 and YOU check, Seat 3 bets $25, YOU raise $30 more, Seat 5 folds and Seat 3 calls
Turn:5D
YOU bet $50, he goes all in (hmmm,he's the type that would be check a monster on a flop, and overbet on the flop to protect any Ace? Why so meek on the flop? If he had a set you wouldn't have much left after ur re-raise on the flop, so he'd probably go all in then, so most likely hes betting a draw. You know he plays suited connectors if raised b/t $10-$20 when he has $ in front of him and he's on a heater from winning a $100 pot last hand.),you think and call, and he turns over 4C,5C, the read was right (I expect replies debating these moves, don't worry, lol).
River: 2S
Statisically ur ahead, which would make it the right move, yet he did have plenty of outs and hit and it would be a nice payout for him, people say "why gamble for it all in those type of scenarios when u could wait for a better opportunity ?" my argument is: look at what u get if they miss, you get a solid stack and most likely you'd get a tilted player to pick at and pots like those generally get a 1 to 1 on your stack + 1-2X extra from PF and F action.

Metro

"why gamble for it all in those type of scenarios when u could wait for a better opportunity ?"

All your money is already in the pot - you are calling an extra $50 into a pot that is already over $300. You don't even need your Ace to be that strong to call in this situation.

What I dont understand is why you re-raised $30? He raised you $25 and then he calls your $30 - no sh!t. You dont get any extra information from this bet so it becomes wasted money - unless you see it as a value bet. If you wanted to take him off his draw you should have bet much more strongly.

Given the way the hand went down - Your opponent didnt make any significant mistakes - post flop. You could have forced him to make a mistake by making a pot bet to his $25 flop raise.

You obviously set a check raise when you flopped your Ace - but you didnt use it very effectively. As soon as you made a min check raise you lost the pot IMO.

DrTyore

I agree with Tnorth here... your check raise was a bad play. I would either have lead out straight away (which IMO is the better play) for a pot-sized bet, or on the check-raise, push all in (his raise of $25 puts the pot at 95, if you raise, your call makes it $120, and you would have $128 left... a pot re-raise kills his odds, puts the pressure on him, and then he's making the biggest mistake possible... Here you didn't do that on the flop.

On the turn, I again would have just pushed, a $50 call into a pot of $230 is trivial (though he is making a mistake... barely)...

As for the "pushing the small edges" thing, well that's great poker... you just didn't do it!

Mark

Bobsi38127

Ya I admit the flop raise was weak, that scenario was 100% fictional I just used that as a basis to show a "having the best hand against a premium draw" scenario, it was meekly played and that was the punishment. I wanted to emphasize the cards on the flop+turn, the fact that ur opponent had a solid draw on the turn, and the fact u lead out on the flop and he called u down with minimal odds (I made the mistake by not writing a more sizeable bet, and I made my stack a little weak initially, I know, I know) . I wanted to make it end up in an all in on the turn when u know ur ahead, but no harm in reiterating knowledge on aggression, always comes in handy.