Weak tight?

stpboystpboy
in General Poker Chat
I played this hand last night and am wondering what your thoughts are on the river, I thought about this long and hard before folding...

Let me know what you think, to tight? Or am I just calling to split or lose? My read on the player was that he had played very few hands however played them well when he did, I'd say ABC, nothing really jumped out at me...

stp

Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/01/16 -
21:09:37 (ET)
Table 'Patientia IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: ticktack26 ($60.55 in chips)
Seat 3: billz5 ($31.05 in chips)
Seat 4: djfunky ($44.10 in chips)
Seat 6: stpboy77 ($54 in chips)
billz5: posts small blind $0.25
djfunky: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to stpboy77 [Kh Ad]
stpboy77: raises $2 to $2.50
ticktack26: calls $2.50
billz5: folds
djfunky: folds
*** FLOP *** [4d As 4c]
stpboy77: bets $3
ticktack26: calls $3
*** TURN *** [4d As 4c] [Js]
stpboy77: bets $3.50
ticktack26: calls $3.50
*** RIVER *** [4d As 4c Js] [4s]
stpboy77: bets $7
ticktack26: raises $20 to $27
stpboy77: folds

He ended up showing so...
results to come....

Comments

  • beanie42beanie42
    What hands beat you? AA, JJ, or 4x. I can see a solid player calling the pre-flop raise with 44 (which isn't possible), but not with 4x. JJ probably raises or folds on the flop, so while possible, I'd discount that. The only hand I'd be worried about would be a massively slow-played AA, but you're more likely to see AQ or AJ (which you sucked out on). I might fold against a super-tight/passive player, but against a normal player at these limits - I call here.
  • cadillaccadillac
    Call

    Cant put him on a four here. You are good here usually
  • moosemoose
    Its 4 handed at a 6 max table, so the calling range can be a lot wider. Ah4h?
  • AcidJoeAcidJoe
    moose wrote: »
    Its 4 handed at a 6 max table, so the calling range can be a lot wider. Ah4h?


    I was beginning to think that from reading the hand history. If he has a 4 that's what he called with.
  • beanie42beanie42
    moose wrote: »
    Its 4 handed at a 6 max table
    Good point - missed the SH part. I'd still call though ;)
  • stpboystpboy
    With the way the hand played out is it reasonable to think that I am only calling to chop or lose? Is this poor lines of thinking? 3 hands that beat me, and only one reasonable hand (Ax, not A4) that I tie. I can't see many players making this play with the J-boat or King high. I wasn't playing super aggressive or anything either...

    stp
  • pkrfce9pkrfce9
    if he had raised a huge amount, i'd seriously consider folding. but calling 20 bucks to get back 16 at worst doesn't seem terrible when there's a good chance you're getting back a whole lot more.
  • beanie42beanie42
    stpboy wrote: »
    With the way the hand played out is it reasonable to think that I am only calling to chop or lose? Is this poor lines of thinking? 3 hands that beat me, and only one reasonable hand (Ax, not A4) that I tie. I can't see many players making this play with the J-boat or King high. I wasn't playing super aggressive or anything either...

    Assuming he doesn't have JJ and that you will chop at best, he would have to have the case 4 (or AA) 45% of the time to make folding correct here. That seems high, so calling even just to chop seems to be the best play.
  • EclipseEclipse
    I say this is a pretty tough decision. There are very few hands that have you beat, but I could conceivably see myself or someone else playing Aces full of fours or the quads like that. I would have to either be in a live game and get a tell on the guy or have extensive knowledge of the way he plays for this to be easy.
  • g2g2
    I could not possibly fold in this spot on the river.

    I think he might have shown a flush. Something like KQs or K10s.

    /g2
  • Flint BonesFlint Bones
    Did you really fold here?

    That surprises me, but you're about to show him with A4 or JJ aren't you and show us all your great reading ability aren't you?

    I would have called.
  • SirWattsSirWatts
    If he's bad enough that your river bet makes sense here then you definitely should call. I'd usually check the river though because worse hands basically never call unless he's awful.
  • stpboystpboy
    Ok thanks for the comments guys, I questioned myself after this hand and thought I may be able to get away from this. I wanted some honest answers rather then people just agreeing with me so I may have mislead you a bit...

    I think he played this hand beautifully although likely could have taken my whole stack on the flop.

    Here is the real hand...

    PokerStars Game #7976086689: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/01/16 -
    21:09:37 (ET)
    Table 'Patientia IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 2: ticktack26 ($60.55 in chips)
    Seat 3: billz5 ($31.05 in chips)
    Seat 4: djfunky ($44.10 in chips)
    Seat 6: stpboy77 ($54 in chips)
    billz5: posts small blind $0.25
    djfunky: posts big blind $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to stpboy77 [Kh Ad]
    stpboy77: raises $2 to $2.50
    ticktack26: calls $2.50
    billz5: folds
    djfunky: folds
    *** FLOP *** [4d As 4c]
    stpboy77: bets $3
    ticktack26: calls $3
    *** TURN *** [4d As 4c] [Js]
    stpboy77: bets $3.50
    ticktack26: calls $3.50
    *** RIVER *** [4d As 4c Js] [4s]
    stpboy77: bets $7
    ticktack26: raises $20 to $27
    stpboy77: calls $20
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    ticktack26: shows [Ac Ah] (a full house, Aces full of Fours)
    stpboy77: shows [Kh Ad] (a full house, Fours full of Aces)
    ticktack26 collected $70.75 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $72.75 | Rake $2
    Board [4d As 4c Js 4s]
    Seat 2: ticktack26 (button) showed [Ac Ah] and won ($70.75) with a full house,
    Aces full of Fours
    Seat 3: billz5 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: djfunky (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: stpboy77 showed [Kh Ad] and lost with a full house, Fours full of Aces
  • stpboystpboy
    Flint Bones wrote: »
    Did you really fold here?

    That surprises me, but you're about to show him with A4 or JJ aren't you and show us all your great reading ability aren't you?

    I would have called.

    Nice call Flint! I wish my read was that good in this hand, I was shocked to see AA!

    stp
  • moosemoose
    The power of position...
  • Bobsi38127Bobsi38127
    wow no reraise PF either, he camoflauged that well, good instincts not to go over the top on that one. More aggresive-wreckless players would think its a chop and go all in over the top to possibly take it down , or be a goof. (commonly seen when a full house is on board in a 3+ player pot)
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