any way to avoid this?

Chuckieland

you were deal JJ on the buttom
BB 50/100
UTG raise to 200
one caller and all fold to me
i raise it to 500. (put him on A-X)
only UTG call.
flop 2 5 9
UTG bet 600, i put him all in
UTG call
he turn over QQ
I got crapple to deadzone
this kind of stuff has nail me serval times, is there anyway to avoid this or this is just the hand that i am going to be busted?

pkrfce9

maybe you can't avoid this but i know i can avoid responding to posts that don't provide nearly enough info

DrTyore

But.... Greg....

You didn't!

To the OP.. it happens at times... more info is needed, but you gotta pay attention to your opponents... blah blah...

Mark

Chuckieland

what kind of inform do i need to provide?
sorry but give me a list of missing inform

westside8

Just to start:
1. Your stack
2. Villain's stack
3. Villain's image
4. How has the table been playing

Chuckieland

westside8 wrote: »

Just to start:
1. Your stack
2. Villain's stack
3. Villain's image
4. How has the table been playing

i see
here are information
1: roughly 6400
2. roughly 6270 or somthing
3. new to the table, just transfer in
4. tight preflop, but i suspect loose after flop.

alekat47

My advice...never play JJ it will ruin you.

g2

alekat47 wrote: »

My advice...never play JJ it will ruin you.

LOL... post of the year!!!!

/g2

Chuckieland

alekat47 wrote: »

My advice...never play JJ it will ruin you.

i'm series consider this option
yesturday at fulltilt 25k tournment 24+2 buy in
blind is 50/100
i'm on the BB with JJ and 6100 in chips.
UTG+2 limp in with 5400chips (compete donky, got lucky twice with donky call and suck out to win)
6th position limp in
bottom limp in
SB limp in
I raise blind to 500
UTG+2 call put his on A-x or two face card,
6th position fold
bottom call (could have call anything, he is getting right odd)
SB fold.
FLop 10 8 2 rainbow
Great flop for me, I bet the pot $ 1700 (happy just to take it down)
UTG+2 raise to 3400, bottom folded
so here, i have to put addition 1700 into 6800 pot with my over pair, so folding is not an option.
I'm thinking with that raise he most likely have A 10 and thinking i'm on a continuation bet, or he could have 79 or J9 raise with open end striaght draw, and he put me on AK (normally my raise should of clear out 79 or J9, but UTG+2 is a donk)
so, i think calling here is bad idea, if he is on a open end draw, I need to make it expensive for him, and if he has A 10 he is not going to fold. i'm a big favorite to win it alot of chips.
so I reraise him all-in.
UTG+2 call
Turn over 10 8, his two pair holdup to win, i'm crapple to deadzone because blind just increase to 100/200
later on, i'm thinking, did i play it wrong, after flop?
two pair or not, he could of call my raise with small pair and made set or limp in early position with AA, KK, QQ, which my jacks are beat...
how many would folded or just call his rerasie?
turn and river is compete rag.

g2

Chuckieland wrote: »

i'm series consider this option
yesturday at fulltilt 25k tournment 24+2 buy in
blind is 50/100
i'm on the BB with JJ and 6100 in chips.
UTG+2 limp in with 5400chips (compete donky, got lucky twice with donky call and suck out to win)
6th position limp in
bottom limp in
SB limp in
I raise blind to 500
UTG+2 call put his on A-x or two face card,
6th position fold
bottom call (could have call anything, he is getting right odd)
SB fold.
FLop 10 8 2 rainbow
Great flop for me, I bet the pot $ 1700 (happy just to take it down)
UTG+2 raise to 3400, bottom folded
so here, i have to put addition 1700 into 6800 pot with my over pair, so folding is not an option.
I'm thinking with that raise he most likely have A 10 and thinking i'm on a continuation bet, or he could have 79 or J9 raise with open end striaght draw, and he put me on AK (normally my raise should of clear out 79 or J9, but UTG+2 is a donk)
so, i think calling here is bad idea, if he is on a open end draw, I need to make it expensive for him, and if he has A 10 he is not going to fold. i'm a big favorite to win it alot of chips.
so I reraise him all-in.
UTG+2 call
Turn over 10 8, his two pair holdup to win, i'm crapple to deadzone because blind just increase to 100/200
later on, i'm thinking, did i play it wrong, after flop?
two pair or not, he could of call my raise with small pair and made set or limp in early position with AA, KK, QQ, which my jacks are beat...
how many would folded or just call his rerasie?
turn and river is compete rag.

If UTG+2 is a complete donky you should put him on any 2 cards.

To make a decision whether to push (eyes closed of course) or just flat call, you need a bit of a history of the donk's betting patterns. When the donk sucked out on those 2 hands, did he bet out on the next street? Or is he just a calling station? If so, typically when calling stations bet out (or raise in this case) they are very strong. I would not go broke if this is the case. I would flat call the additional 1700 and hope to improve on the turn (pair the 2, hit a 9 for an OESD, or J obviously). If I don't improve and the UTG+2 donk bets big on the turn it's a pretty easy fold (knowing you will be able to wait for a much better situation to get your chips in against this guy).

/g2

JimmyHo

you should read my post, deju vu! Seems this cash game strategy of playing any two cards works in a tournament as well. With a raise to 500, calling with 10 8 was a bad call in my option. He just got really lucky with that flop and it cost you (as it cost me); hopefully we are more often on the other side of the fence with these types of calls than on the receiving end.

http://www.pokerforum.ca/showthread.php?t=11364

moose

Hand 1 - you don't need to put your entire stack in to discover you are beat, a 3x raise should be enough
Hand 2 - you give your opponents too much credit. Early in a tourney there are tons of donks who have no idea how to read an opponent, they only play their own cards. Unless you have tagged an opponent as a particularly tricky, aggressive opponent, they are not going to raise you on the flop, after your pf raise on a straight draw or weak pair. A pot size bet says to me, I have an overpair, go away. A min reraise screams 'Danger Will Robinson'.

Next tournament try to win some pots without bludgeoning them to death with your entire stack.

Chuckieland

g2 wrote: »

If UTG+2 is a complete donky you should put him on any 2 cards.

To make a decision whether to push (eyes closed of course) or just flat call, you need a bit of a history of the donk's betting patterns. When the donk sucked out on those 2 hands, did he bet out on the next street? Or is he just a calling station? If so, typically when calling stations bet out (or raise in this case) they are very strong. I would not go broke if this is the case. I would flat call the additional 1700 and hope to improve on the turn (pair the 2, hit a 9 for an OESD, or J obviously). If I don't improve and the UTG+2 donk bets big on the turn it's a pretty easy fold (knowing you will be able to wait for a much better situation to get your chips in against this guy).

/g2

thanks
what you say, make alot of sense, I definely kill myself on that play.
bad decision.
i usually play one big tournment plus one small SNG (6 or 9 player) plus a cash game. maybe i should stick just one tournment when playing big cash payout one.
honestly, i didn't remember if he bet out or just call to suck out the win, I just remember it's a suckout.....something i need to pay more attention of.
Thanks for the help.