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Hello!!

Got word of this site from someone I met at a casino. (Nice guy - he took my money very pleasantly!!)

Replay this hand for me

2-5NL Live.

Me: ~$440
BB: ~$250
Button: ~$1000

I'm in late pos. with QJs, 1 limper, I rasie to $15 and the button and bb call. (limper folds). Flop is Q87 rainbow. BB leads for $35... Whats your play here? Mines in white. More to follow after some amswers.

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I raise to $80 and button calls. BB folds
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Thanks.

Comments

  • NL is all about reads - do you have any on these players? QJs is looking for a straight/flush, not 1 pair. With both players calling your initial bet, the BB leading into you, and the button behind, I probably fold and wait for a better spot.

    Now, after reviewing what you did, your raise was barely more than a min-raise. Pot was $47 and BB makes 2/3 pot-bet for $35. If you really want to make a play at this pot, you should raise at least the pot, so around $150 to go. With your stack, that would only leave you around $75 back, so you'd have no future play and you're pot-committed, so you should just push.
  • Totally agree. Shove'em.

    Look like the BB has a mid-ish pair, and is checking to see where he's at.

    Johnnie
  • Your BB has QT or Q9, a nice pot size re-raise would do it. I'm assuming, he turned his kicker for 2 pair and sucked out on you.

    That's why your asking what you should have done to make him fold?
  • ok so i don't get the advice so far.

    *if* you raised to 150, you've got just under 300 left. that is more than enough for another effective bet. if you push now, you only get called by and hand that destroys yours or by someone who is mentally challenged

    nl is so read dependent. you have told us absolutely nothing. so how can we give you an absolute answer here?

    if i was in the BB and hit a set, i would have made a bet like this - esp if you and the button were the type of guys who would call down with anything. on the other hand, if i thought the other 2 in the hand played speculative crap and would fold if they hit nothing, i would make this play with any 2.

    and what about the button? what kind of hands does he need to call your raise? i'd be more worried about him since he can demolish your stack.

    on the flop, there are at least 10 hands stronger than yours - maybe only half of those call your initial raise but again, it depends on the players. plus a huge number of hands that can draw out. *if* you believe the BB would make this play with a worse hand than yours, make a decent raise here, maybe putting it up to 110 or 120. if you get called, i'd be extremely cautious.
  • Greg, haha, this very well could be the guy on my left at our table at Niagara.
    I wrote the site down during a smoke break after you left and told him to make sure he said I referred him...and I have one more referral than I know about. However, it could be a co-ink-a-dink.


    BTW - Flat call the $35. And re-raise steal the pot on the turn if any 10, J, 9, Q and maybe a 6...come. If that doesn't work and he just flat calls, your fake straight is good. Push him all in 100000% of the time IF he checks the river to you...If he calls and you lose, figure out what your tell is...;)
  • Nice guy - he took my money very pleasantly!
    so... it couldn't have been you josh

    but good advice!
  • OUCH!

    And I'll have you know I busted that guy twice. I just gave it all back.
    His set versus my donk flopped straight and my set versus his overpair.
  • If I were in ur shoes I probably wouldn't have raised PF, but thats also co-dependant on how loose/tight the table is, in MP maybe I would to juice the pot up a touch if the table is too tight, cuz hitting a solid str8 or flush (str8 flush=dreamer) would be primetime into a $60-$75 pot preflop, but why on earth would sum1 open on the flop? A few reads come into my mind just by the clues u gave, IT IS 2/5 so there's gotta be SOME merit to his/her playing, so I'm gonna rule out Q,7 or Q,8 or any Q less than that cuz the player would have to be known to be a blind defender or a Gambler to make me think that way. unless it was either 78s protecting its 2 pair, but 35?? hes on the Short stack here so he prolly wouldve bet $60-$70 to firmly take the pot or to coax u to push,so wut's left is a medium Queen, it could be a limped AK firing on the pot, it would depend on his action or the next card is the turn I'd say it isn't a set cuz they'd prolly check it down to the initial raiser *you* lol my reads on his end are Q,T or QJ so with that in mind I'd either say that you are certainly a favourite and seeing an A or K won't hurt u any so maybe smooth call and see if you can maximize value on the turn, could be a whole $50 ur missin out on, put it this way a check on the turn from him would be glorious
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