Some People Amaze Me
Sometimes I wonder where the money winning players make comes from in online poker. Sure, I see bad players now and then but I always assumed that with practice players will learn and improve as most humans do in anything they partake in.
Once in a while that belief gets a serious challenge.
Today I fiddled around in a $10 Stars sit and go for fun and the play was mind boggingly awful. It was even bad for a play money table. When one player limped UTG with 10 4 suited and called a big bet on a A77 rainbow flop and hit runner runner hearts to beat another player's 78 I had to look him up.
The results amazed me.
Go to http://www.sharkscope.com/index.jsp and look up the player tablerock57 on Pokerstars.
He has played in nearly 4,000 sit and gos, all $10 or below (which given when sharkscope started for Stars would mean about 7-10 a day) and has lost nearly $6,000 in a consistent straight line down, and this is at a level that would hardly be called shark infested. He spoke at the table so was not a very bad bot.
In our sit and go he tripled up after 3 hands but finished 6th (I ended up winning it).
Seriously though, how can a player be that bad and not improve after THOUSANDS of sit and gos. The poker player in me was thrilled to see it, but I have to admit my faith in humanity sort of took a hit as well :P.
Once in a while that belief gets a serious challenge.
Today I fiddled around in a $10 Stars sit and go for fun and the play was mind boggingly awful. It was even bad for a play money table. When one player limped UTG with 10 4 suited and called a big bet on a A77 rainbow flop and hit runner runner hearts to beat another player's 78 I had to look him up.
The results amazed me.
Go to http://www.sharkscope.com/index.jsp and look up the player tablerock57 on Pokerstars.
He has played in nearly 4,000 sit and gos, all $10 or below (which given when sharkscope started for Stars would mean about 7-10 a day) and has lost nearly $6,000 in a consistent straight line down, and this is at a level that would hardly be called shark infested. He spoke at the table so was not a very bad bot.
In our sit and go he tripled up after 3 hands but finished 6th (I ended up winning it).
Seriously though, how can a player be that bad and not improve after THOUSANDS of sit and gos. The poker player in me was thrilled to see it, but I have to admit my faith in humanity sort of took a hit as well :P.
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I know a few players will play bigger games/tournaments and then open a small buyin SNG just to keep from getting bored in the bigger event..I myself do this often too.
I think too many people hold SS on way too high of a pedestal when they should really only be using it as a reference and relying more on their own instincts/reads/info about the player at the time.
A few of the best players I know on stars have terrible, terrible SS results. I PITY anyone who is playing against my buddy, decides to look him up on SS and then uses the results to determine he's a weak player because they will certainly lose their stack to him in a heartbeat.
I'm not saying you do, this is just my general opinion of SS. I for one don't pay any attention to it.
I also use it mainly as a fun tool once in a while and I take the results to an extent tongue in cheek, but in this case the guy has played several thousand sit and gos, all low level and his results (and frankly the play I saw) scared me in terms of how a person cannot learn.
The opening up a small sit and go for fun point would likely be more valid if it was not the only level he always played and frankly if the person did not have to do it 10-20 times a day
This was not meant as a post for sharkscope, I have searched hundreds of people and frankly this was the craziest results I have ever seen at this level, that's all.
This guy is maybe out to gambol and push a bit of money around. Maybe he has tried to learn but can not stick with any ideas long enough to see fruition in his progress as a poker player. He could be like most people and he is quite simply a creature of habit, he gets juice from gambling but is incapable of change.
The long and the short is this dude is a FISH, there are lots of them and they are always in season.
Thanks for the reminder Monteroy. Learn something everyday, add to your playbook, always improve!!
Caddy
Looking at the notes I keep in spreadsheets and my bankroll history Poker Office is correct, Shark Scope is way off?
I will agree on one thing, the play on the $5.50 and $10 SNG's is horrid but I wouldn't want it to change...it's been a good source of $$$ for me
I use it (free version only) and for sure it has helped me make some specific decisions from time to time.
For my stats, it's dead on in the time period it tracks.
and what do you base this ludicrous statement on? The fact that yours seems correct? I don't believe I am a negative player, my own notes, Poker Tracker, and Poker Office confirm that fact after capturing all my hand histories...yet some free on-line service reports a different bottom line...hmmmm who should I trust, the systems I painstakingly maintain to ensure accuracy so that I can monitor and improve my game or some free add riddled web service? I'm sure for some people SS works and reports fine but to lay out a blanket statement such as yours is an insult.
I agree. I subscribe and it's always been bang on for me. When did it start tracking for Full Tilt,April or so?. I think the start up date is the discrepency for those that are really keeping honest records on their own.
Sloth makes a good point as well. You'll sometimes make a call you wouldn't normally make because a guy has complete fish numbers and run into a real hand. On the other hand, it has constantly reinforced to me never ever try to push a fish off a pot on a bluff no matter how tight of a table image you've been projecting. They just arn't paying attention.
Ummm (pull foot from mouth) possibly not, good question/point. That's the problem with assuming I guess
How long has SS been capturing data?
I think Tie went off a little with the "losing players slam it"...as so far, the only donk in this thread is the moron pointed out in the original post (not the OP himself) who has so far suckedthebigone since he started.
4000 sng's and still sucks...thanks for the tip, I'll search for him everynight.
For my results they are completely accurate and my results spreadsheet includes the number of every sit and go I have done :P.
Keep in mind the results you find may be a bit misleading. I saw this horrible player in a MTT, the kind that has to chat/comment on every single hand using all caps and always pats himself on the back when he makes what he considers to be a "tough fold" (translation - generally good to put pressure on him