B&M 2/4 Limit - Beatable?
Hey,
I'm going to Syracuse this weekend and will spend too many hours playing some limit holdem at Turning Stone. I am beating online .50/1 for about 2 BB/100. With all the extra rake, tokes, etc. is the B&M 2/4 beatable? What would the correct play be with all the fish & gamblers at the tables? Should I maybe play a little higher to reduce the rake effect?
Thanks!
I'm going to Syracuse this weekend and will spend too many hours playing some limit holdem at Turning Stone. I am beating online .50/1 for about 2 BB/100. With all the extra rake, tokes, etc. is the B&M 2/4 beatable? What would the correct play be with all the fish & gamblers at the tables? Should I maybe play a little higher to reduce the rake effect?
Thanks!
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On another note, Turning Stone has 3 new "Lightning Poker" tables. They are using them for $50 and $100 sit'n'gos. They are big 10 seat tables where each player has their own screen and one big screen in the middle. They had trouble getting games started but nonother than 2004 WSOP champion Greg Raymer was on hand as a promo. It was cool watching him play..he's a really nice guy and chatted everyone up...had the WSOP bracelet on too! He then got into a $2500 NL buyin regular game at the table next to me and I think he cashed out big!!
Nice casino!
You can beat the 2/4 despite everything mostly due to how fast I found the dealers there. You get in more hands there than any casino I've been to.
Hands per hour doesn't tell you if a game is beatable, it could only make it more profitable.
If it's your first few session ever, play 2/4, don't worry if it's beatable, focus on learning the flow of play, typical player types and how to handle your cards.
Even if you do...you're still losing, unless time means nothing to you.
Standing with a cup in your hand out front of the casino would make more than 2BB an hour.
I don't think there are any winning 2/4 players with a statistically significant sample size.
If they rake $4 per hand and $1 toke that means $400 + $100 is leaving the table every 100 hands..
So that's 120 BB/100 hands leaving.
If you win 10% of hands... you have to make over 12 BB /100 to show a profit....
I don't think anyone with a sample size large enough to matter (30,000 hands) is beating 2/4
If anyone on the forms is beating 2/4 or 2/5 with 30,000 or so hands I'd love to hear from you.
Most people who can beat 2/4 or 2/5 move up to 4/8 or 5/10.
If you're beating limit 2/4 or 2/5 long term I'd love to hear how you do it.
I can't.
You just have to play tight and be in a loose game to beat 2/4.
LOL. Tough to argue with that...
It has always baffled my why they play the 2-4 limit games in the poker room as opposed to the Bingo Hall where they belong.
As someone who plays a lot at the 2 - 4 level allow me to defend it a little.
Can you beat it in the long term? Not likely no, which I understand was the question put forth in this post.
However, I think that many of the players who complain about that fact, are not likely beating too many other games either.
I play 2/4 because I can afford to. My life is pretty up and down at the moment, and does not always allow me to protect a bankroll for playing at the higher limits. Playing 2/4 does many things though. It allows me to comfortably practice a variety of poker skills, such as hand reading(made more difficult by the number of hands often in play), as well as my ability to calculate pot odds, and play in accordance. It also allows me to play some hands I might not otherwise, and practice my post flop play.
Mostly it allows me to be playing poker at a level which is comfortable for me, and at which it is still possible to eke out some small but satisfying wins on any given day.
I mean really, I bet noone ever asked A-Rod what he got paid in little league, but we all know where it got him.
Cheers
Yes my math does suck. 125 big bets per 100 hands will be leaving the table not 120.
So the average player at a 10 player table will be paying 12.5 big bets in tips and rake per 100 hands.
If you play tight and only win 5% of hands then you're paying about 6 BB/100 hands.
If you're making 1 big bet an hour on average then that's about 3 big bets per 100 hands?
... it seem tough to win...No rake and no tip would make it easy but the rake seems too high.
And it you were good enough to win you should probably be playing 5/10 to 10/20.
At Fallsview yes.
Fallsview normally has at least one limit game going. You can call ahead to check and get your name on the list. 905 371-7777. Good luck.