American Freedoms in Jeopardy?

This link is from the NY Times. It outlines the very dangerous position some politians have taken on the recent Online Gaming Law introduced recently. Specifically, asking if this is the ONLY freedom that Americans will lose, all in the name of a moral few...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/19/op...=1&oref=slogin

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  • The link doesn't work.

    Cheers
    magi
  • eff the americans. they get the govt they deserve. i'm more concerned about my freedom being in jeopardy because of stupid american laws!
  • Okay, sorry about the link not workign guys...I'm not a 'puter geek!!!

    Anyway, Kristy was actually the one who found the story in the NYTimes website..

    Here's the whole article
    LAST week President Bush signed a law that will try to impede online gambling by prohibiting American banks from transferring money to gambling sites. Most Americans probably didn’t notice or care, but it may do significant political damage to the Republicans this fall and long-term damage to Americans’ respect for the law.

    So, a month before a major election, the Republicans have allied themselves with a scattering of voters who are upset by online gambling and have outraged the millions who love it. Furthermore, judging from many hours of online chat with Internet poker players, I am willing to bet (if you’ll pardon the expression) that the outraged millions are disproportionately electricians, insurance agents, police officers, mid-level managers, truck drivers, small-business owners — that is, disproportionately Republicans and Reagan Democrats.

    In the short term, this law all by itself could add a few more Democratic Congressional seats in the fall elections. We are talking about a lot of people (an estimated 23 million Americans gamble online) who are angry enough to vote on the basis of this one issue, and they blame Republicans.

    In the long term, something more ominous is at work. If a free society is to work, the vast majority of citizens must reflexively obey the law not because they fear punishment, but because they accept that the rule of law makes society possible. That reflexive law-abidingness is reinforced when the laws are limited to core objectives that enjoy consensus support, even though people may disagree on means.

    Thus society is weakened every time a law is passed that large numbers of reasonable, responsible citizens think is stupid. Such laws invite good citizens to choose knowingly to break the law, confident that they are doing nothing morally wrong.

    The reaction to Prohibition, the 20th century’s stupidest law, is the archetypal case. But the radical expansion of government throughout the last century has created many more.

    For example, all employers are confronted with rules and regulations from Occupational Safety and Health Administration and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that they regard with contempt — not because they cut into profits, but because they are, simply, stupid. They impede employers yet provide no collateral social benefit. And so employers treat the stupid regulations as obstructions to be fudged or ignored. When they have to comply, they do not see compliance as the right thing to do, but as placating an agency that will hurt them otherwise.

    The same thing applies to lesser degrees to all of us who find ourselves doing things that we know are pointless (think of various aspects of tax law) only because we fear attracting a bureaucracy’s attention. For millions of Americans, our day-to-day relationship with government is increasingly like paying protection to the Mafia — keeping it off our backs while we get on with our lives.

    The temptation for good citizens to ignore a stupid law is encouraged when it is unenforceable. In this, the attempt to ban Internet gambling is exemplary. One of the four sites where I play poker has blocked United States customers because of the law, but the other three are functioning as usual and are confident that they can continue to do so. They are not in America, and it is absurdly easy to devise ways of transferring money from American bank accounts to institutions abroad and thence to gambling sites.

    And so the federal government once again has acted in a way that will fail to achieve its objective while alienating large numbers of citizens who see themselves as having done nothing wrong. The libertarian part of me is heartened by this, hoping that a new political coalition will start to return government to its proper functions. But the civic-minded part of me is apprehensive. Reflexive loyalty to the rule of law is an indispensable cultural asset. The more honest citizens who take for granted that they are breaking the law, the more their loyalty to the law, and to the government that creates it, is eroded.
  • pkrfce9 wrote: »
    eff the americans. they get the govt they deserve. i'm more concerned about my freedom being in jeopardy because of stupid american laws!

    Well considering that MOST if not all of our freedoms are mirrored on the Americans, one can safely assume that this may likely have similiar impact in this country soon enough.

    And we too have the government we deserve, that's what democracy is all about!
  • STR82ACE wrote: »
    And we too have the government we deserve, that's what democracy is all about!
    my point was our govt caters to the us. (check with that guy who got the all-expense paid extended vacation to syria for more details.) in addition, many american laws have a direct impact on our choices. remember the point about the elephant in bed?

    something contentious for discussion... 'we get the govt the americans want us to have!'
  • pkrfce9 wrote: »
    my point was our govt caters to the us. (check with that guy who got the all-expense paid extended vacation to syria for more details.) in addition, many american laws have a direct impact on our choices. remember the point about the elephant in bed?

    something contentious for discussion... 'we get the govt the americans want us to have!'

    Look at Dalton. He is already trying to do this himself. It is the same in Canada. Just wait. I don't mean to be a doomsdayer, but the future doesn't look too good for online gaming. If McGuinty's law is passed it will hurt and could give way to a Federal law. So far it doesn't look like poker is on Harper's mind but a few right wing whiners could change that real fast.
  • We already have the same problem here. I have three credit cards and I cannot put money on a gambling site with any of them. Like anything else though, where there's a will there's a way.
  • I have my credit cards declined..and a bank draft took 3 weeks to get to PStars in Guernsey.
  • I have my credit cards declined..and a bank draft took 3 weeks to get to PStars in Guernsey.


    OMG have you guys not heard about neteller?
  • I feel stupid on this question...oddly enough I have a Netteller account, I just have never had the occasion to use it.
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