Floor ruling please
The blinds are $50-100.
On the river a player puts a $500 chip into the pot and says softly, "Four hundred."
His opponent puts a $100 chip into the pot and says, "Call."
The bettor immediately shows the hand.
The dealer says, "He bet four hundred."
The caller says, "Oh, I thought he bet a hundred."
On the river a player puts a $500 chip into the pot and says softly, "Four hundred."
His opponent puts a $100 chip into the pot and says, "Call."
The bettor immediately shows the hand.
The dealer says, "He bet four hundred."
The caller says, "Oh, I thought he bet a hundred."
Comments
I believe that since the dealer heard the bet it stands.
Sorry you lost $400, Dave.
JohnnieH
What is the guy who announced "call" and shorted the pot with his $100 chip has the winning hand?
My gut had said that due to the misunderstand of the bet size, the bettor had an obligation to not show his hand until the amount put into the pot seemed right.
And whaddaya know...
Robert's Rules:
It could very easily make sense if he didn't have a $100 chip. A normal ruling is an oversize chip without declaration is a call. Since he indicated $400 and the dealer heard that and the other person said call, I think he has to put in the other $300.
As it is the responsibility of the $400 bettor to make sure the pot is correct before showing his hand and assuming from the scenario that it is on the river that this takes place, I would allow the opponent to either A] Fold and surrender his $100 chip( as he clearly meant to add $100 to the pot) or B] Call the remaining $300 (this choice would only be taken if he has the winning hand, obviously, but is in line with the bettor's interest of having his $400 called). Others may disagree with me, but I think this is the fairest solution in the best interest of the game.
As a slight hijack, this situation recently took place at my work....
$1-$2 No Limit
On the flop...
SB bets out $10 (two $5 chips).
BB calls.
UTG calls.
MP raises to $60 (two $25 chips and two $5 chips).
Button calls.
SB tosses one $100 chip in with his two $5 chips. He makes no motion to retrieve his two $5 chips and now has three chips sitting in front of his cards.
Is SB considered to be just calling or is it a raise??
If the dealer catches it in time, it's a no brainer (I think) -- forfeit the $100 or call the $400.
As far as I can see the player announced his action (calling) and then the bettor opened his hand for a called showdown, I would assume the caller was forced to toss in the entire $400.
I agree with the Robert's ruling on this one, and I'd take it as a call of $100.
The player who is trying to bet $400 makes two errors during the hand: making an unclear/inaudible verbal bet and not verifying that the pot is correct before exposing his hand. It is debatable whether or not the other guy has even made one error.
The player who is calling $100 deserves the benifit of doubt here, and if you think that the $100 call is some kind of an angle shot, I don't see how you wouldn't see Mr. Quiet $400 as angle shooting twice.
This seems to be an application of the "one chip rule", and should be taken a call. The one chip rule applies regardless of the amount of chips previously put into the pot during the betting round.
Whether the original $5 chips are retrieved or not makes no difference here. As soon as a single $100 chip is moved fowards in a clear betting motion with no words spoken, the action is call $60 (total).
ScottyZ