JohnnieH;c-422520 wroteNot an angle, but there used to be an asshole at BCC that would say "I'm a raison" when the action was on him to get people to fold.
There's a fine line between just "joking" around and crossing the imaginary line of civility.
Or, in this case. The unspoken or implied agreed upon rules of engagement (etiquette).

I've noticed that some tolerate unlimited folly from a few. Yet have zero tolerance for silliness from others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWzuFLlCnCE
DrTyore;c-422522 wrote
JohnnieH;c-422520 wroteNot an angle, but there used to be an asshole at BCC that would say "I'm a raison" when the action was on him to get people to fold.
That is 100% an angle.... and that person should be spoken to. (No, I don't believe it's me everyone).

Mark
Didn't you say something similarly stupid to me in a hand to make me believe you were all in?

moose;c-422536 wrote
DrTyore;c-422522 wrote
JohnnieH;c-422520 wroteNot an angle, but there used to be an asshole at BCC that would say "I'm a raison" when the action was on him to get people to fold.
That is 100% an angle.... and that person should be spoken to. (No, I don't believe it's me everyone).

Mark

Didn't you say something similarly stupid to me in a hand to make me believe you were all in?
Absolutely true. Unintentionally angled you. I use that as an example now of what NOT to do

Mark
I posted before about my WSOP Tbilisi trip where two members & 1 other player agreed to a swap for the ring & other events that all three of us played. That player cashed in an event all 3 of us played, so DirtArse & I would get a % of his winnings. I played in an event that neither of them played & made it all the way to heads-up for the WSOP ring. DirtArse obviously knew that I get to keep the cash to myself, but villain tried to angle me & refused to pay me any of his swapped winnings. He tried to insist that the agreement was to split cashes from every single event even if one bought in for the High Roller Event & the other two stuck to the lowest buy-ins, which obviously doesn't make any sense.
Yes.
TLDR: The last poker trip that DirtArse & I travelled to in November, it was the poker tour that angled the players!

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I had asked for the tournament structures after DirtArse wanted to go to the Caribbean Latin Series of Poker in the Dominican Republic for our first flight after 20 long months of lockdowns. I never got the structures, even after I asked the Playground Poker Club dealer in the tournament room who had a supervisory role, then the TD 😔 whom I had met at PokerStars Panama.

Unlike Playground, there was minimum information displayed in the tournament screen, with slow updates.😴 When the prize payout was finally shown, I noticed that the players’ prize pool was low, as the undisclosed rake was higher than any of the tours we have played at! DirtArse really wanted to cash to earn the Dominican Republic flag on HendonMob, where we both have seven flags, but we both decided to just enjoy the Punta Cana beach resort instead of being angled with secret bad structures. We met pros & other players on the beach who also minimized playing the badly-organized tournaments.

It was still a fun vacation after COVID-19 lockdowns, but the lesson I learned is to not travel to a series where the organizers are unwilling or unable to disclose the structures. I was all set to travel to WSOP Africa & Colombia, but when their bad organizers never replied to me with structures, I cancelled my flight & played somewhere else.

Next is the FRE* poker vacation at Pearl River Resort in Mississippi on September 8-19, which has many similarities to Playground like f*** meals & f*** alcohol, along with a f*** room for 7-14 days.

I think I'll stay closer to home with the many no rake, well run tournaments here in Southern Ontario or perhaps aPlayground trip in the fall. It's certainly not free to get to Mississippi, 17 hr drive or $600+ flight, then there's the covid risk. Sorry Blondefish, thanks for the info and good luck to you. Perhaps another year. Free hotel is only worth so much.

Most of my travel points for hotels/flights are being used on following grandkids and their sports around.
home cash game a few weeks ago... (or so-so)

I flopped top two pair and a villain that had been bullying me most of the night

(I'm not knocking the *bullying* as it can be part of the game. Up until then nothing out of line or side stepping common courtesy---real gent; alll is fair in love and poker?)

Pot was between three player after the flop [8KQ]rainbow. Villain was last in line to act and blurted out "all-in" as UTG cbet $50 into maybe $100 pot. I in mid-position instantly _muttered_ "all-in" to sound no so confident. And pushed my remaining stack of about $120. My best guess was correct. Villain hesitated then called and UTG folded. I showed my KdQd villain showed AKo. Turn and river and bricked.

Perhaps not a deliberate **acting out of turn** but I'm aware that's a common angle. And given the history from that night likely thought I was a push-over. A mistake which costed him just close to $150.
Not sure what you mean. When you went all in, you changed the action to the guy who acted out of turn. He could have taken back his bet. You should have called, then his all in would be binding - then you should have called his all in.
I guess my explanation was convoluted. The player in question announced his intent before it was his turn to act.
Yes. When someone acts out of turn, their action is only binding if the action hasn't changed by the time it gets back to that person. When you went all in the action has changed. His all in was no longer binding.
A dealer in the rotation at a 'home game' burned the card after the flop. Then there was a distraction. Villain to my right of table counting their chips. Player X pointed out that Player Z was handling mucked cards. I made the mistake of not keeping me eyes on the dealer.

I made no accusations. Only that it odd that there was such an extended time between the burn and turn.

Possibly up to what seemed like two minutes as villain counted chips.
Possible chatter to draw attention away from dealer from other players.

Dealer said the regular spiel. "I don't have to cheat to win"... I'm not accusing anyone of anything.
Only that it odd that there was such an extended time between the burn and turn.





burn card, burn - A card that is removed from the top of the deck to keep the game fair and reputable.

Second dealing (also known as dealing seconds) is a method of manipulating a deck of cards during a card game by way of dealing the second, rather than the top card of the deck, usually for the purpose of gaining unfair advantages?
moose;c-422561 wroteYes. When someone acts out of turn, their action is only binding if the action hasn't changed by the time it gets back to that person. When you went all in the action has changed. His all in was no longer binding.
angle - A permitted, but borderline unethical, play. Not to be confused with intentional unscrupulous deception.

angle shooting - Intentionally using an angle to exploit an opponent such as obscuring the size of their chip stack or acting out of turn. See acting out of turn.

acting out of turn - A player in poker that either announces their actions or physically plays before their turn (checks, folds etc.). Sometimes players act out of turn intentionally to get a read out of other players. When done intentionally, this is often referred to as "angle shooting".

talking smack - making provocative statement(s) attempting to tilt other players


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thisORthat;c-422592 wroteA dealer in the rotation at a 'home game' burned the card after the flop. Then there was a distraction. Villain to my right of table counting their chips. Player X pointed out that Player Z was handling mucked cards. I made the mistake of not keeping me eyes on the dealer.

I made no accusations. Only that it odd that there was such an extended time between the burn and turn.

Possibly up to what seemed like two minutes as villain counted chips.
Possible chatter to draw attention away from dealer from other players.

Dealer said the regular spiel. "I don't have to cheat to win"... I'm not accusing anyone of anything.
Only that it odd that there was such an extended time between the burn and turn.





burn card, burn - A card that is removed from the top of the deck to keep the game fair and reputable.

Second dealing (also known as dealing seconds) is a method of manipulating a deck of cards during a card game by way of dealing the second, rather than the top card of the deck, usually for the purpose of gaining unfair advantages?
This is confusing. Are you suggesting that the dealer was manipulating the deck for another player in the hand?
ut oh, wonder what game he was at??? B) Was there any other tables that were having issues?
thisORthat;c-422593 wrote
talking smack - making provocative statement(s) attempting to tilt other players
Or very normal banter at games I play at. All in good fun.
And why is "home game" in quotation marks? Are you implying it wasn’t at a real home? :/
trigs;c-422598 wroteAnd why is "home game" in quotation marks? Are you implying it wasn’t at a real home? :/
Yep but if you notice 'home game' was in a single quote so single home as opposed to multi family home?
compuease;c-422595 wroteut oh, wonder what game he was at??? B) Was there any other tables that were having issues?
I thought the dealer at the other table did a pretty good job. And was very charitable with his donations all night.