Icm

sn1perb0y

I know quite a bit about ICM, Here is the hand..
I know if i win the hand i'm getting first, if i loose i'm 3rd. Is this a wrong play and why? I was thinking of folding to the 4 bet but decided i wanted first...(I tanked for A LOT)
payouts:
1st: 1,313
2nd: 976
3rd:688

PokerStars Hand #108354687695: Tournament #828977874, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XLVI (25000/50000) - 2013/12/11 5:06:39 ET
Table '828977874 152' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: HiSoLoSo (6681542 in chips)
Seat 4: JonnyI87 (483648 in chips)
Seat 8: sn1perb0y (5359810 in chips)
HiSoLoSo: posts the ante 6250
JonnyI87: posts the ante 6250
sn1perb0y: posts the ante 6250
JonnyI87: posts small blind 25000
sn1perb0y: posts big blind 50000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sn1perb0y [Kd As]
HiSoLoSo: raises 50000 to 100000
JonnyI87: folds
sn1perb0y: raises 150000 to 250000
HiSoLoSo: raises 300000 to 550000
sn1perb0y: raises 600000 to 1150000
HiSoLoSo: raises 750000 to 1900000
sn1perb0y: raises 1500000 to 3400000
HiSoLoSo: raises 3275292 to 6675292 and is all-in
sn1perb0y: calls 1953560 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1321732) returned to HiSoLoSo
*** FLOP *** [3d Jh Tc]
*** TURN *** [3d Jh Tc] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [3d Jh Tc 3c] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sn1perb0y: shows [Kd As] (a pair of Threes)
HiSoLoSo: shows [Qh Qd] (two pair, Queens and Threes)
HiSoLoSo collected 10750870 from pot
sn1perb0y finished the tournament in 3rd place and received $688.87.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10750870 | Rake 0
Board [3d Jh Tc 3c 6s]
Seat 1: HiSoLoSo (button) showed [Qh Qd] and won (10750870) with two pair, Queens and Threes
Seat 4: JonnyI87 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: sn1perb0y (big blind) showed [Kd As] and lost with a pair of Threes

sn1perb0y

Today, after waking up and thinking about the hand and in my sleep, I think this was a very very bad play. Should of flatted his original raise or even his 4 bet and played poker. Probably let go on the turn. This will sting for a while :(

moose

3 left. Folding AK on that board on the turn would be a bigger leak. Your M<10

#shovehisminraisealldaylong

#thisiswhyyoumakefinaltabledealsiflosingflipshurtstoomuch

sn1perb0y

moose;365088 wrote3 left. Folding AK on that board on the turn would be a bigger leak. Your M<10

#shovehisminraisealldaylong

#thisiswhyyoumakefinaltabledealsiflosingflipshurtstoomuch

I don't think he was willing to make a deal since he was a huge chip leader before me catching up a bit and also there was the 9bbs short stack guy :(

Also probably fold river but not turn... depending on action

So you agree on the All-in pre here?

djgolfcan

sn1perb0y;365091 wroteI don't think he was willing to make a deal since he was a huge chip leader before me catching up a bit and also there was the 9bbs short stack guy :(

Also probably fold river but not turn... depending on action

So you agree on the All-in pre here?

I'm all in, all day long with AK 3 handed. You are ahead of most of his range and flipping against the rest.

sn1perb0y

djgolfcan;365094 wroteI'm all in, all day long with AK 3 handed. You are ahead of most of his range and flipping against the rest.

But why risk it against a flip? I mean im guarnteed 2nd place and potential first place. having 50% 688 and 50% 1313, or 100% 976 and 50% 1313..I'm going with the second choice.

I don't think he is calling off 100bbs with less than jjs and AQ which if u put on pokerstove its 50/50

Hobbes

sn1perb0y;365095 wroteI mean im guarnteed 2nd place

Um No.

moose

Whoa sorry I totally misread the stack sizes. I see what you mean. Your m is 100 not 10.

I probably raise to 500k first which is not stack committing and play it cautiously after that.

sn1perb0y

Hobbes;365096 wroteUm No.

Pure ICM is probably KK+.

So would you go with AK here or not?

Also a 9bb guy vs 2 100bbs+ is most likely going to be out in 3rd if we are gonna wait for him to bust..

Hobbes

Like moose I also misread the stack sizes.

No need to go nuts vs big stack when you can pick on the short stack.

sn1perb0y

moose;365097 wroteWhoa sorry I totally misread the stack sizes. I see what you mean. Your m is 100 not 10.

I probably raise to 500k first which is not stack committing and play it cautiously after that.

haha, finally i proved that i did the worst thing with AK :P

Hobbes

sn1perb0y;365100 wrotehaha, finally i proved that i did the worst thing with AK :P

You will play it worse if you play long enough. :D

Hobbes;86050 wrotePsychologists often refer to the 7 stages of grief that accompany any significant loss in an individual's life.
We certainly think AK qualifies, and know the stages all too well:

1) Denial: "There's no way I could've missed the flop. They were suited. I can call here, I probably still have the best hand. Shoot, I should raise to narrow the field"

2) Anger: "I raised preflop. The board is 239. What the frig are they calling on? Oh, now they're re-raising me? Well, we'll frigging see about that. Fine, your 23o hit? Congrat-u-frigging-lations. Cap!"

3) Guilt: "Man, I missed the turn and they're still betting into me. I am such a terrible player. I should really let go of this hand. Let go if it, dumb@ss. Let go. See, this is why you never make money at poker because you can't lay a hand down you stupid idiot JUST FOLD."

4) Depression: "Call"

5) Forgiveness: "It's ok, you have to look that guy up every once in a while with A high. He might've been on AQ or AJ, and you would've had the best hand then. It's good for your table image anyhow. People won't mess with you now.

6) Acceptance: "Ok, next time I'll just limp and see a flop."

7) Recovery: "Hey, AKs, alright - RAISE!"

pkrfce9

fold to the 5 bet

Wetts1012

pkrfce9;365105 wrotefold to the 5 bet

If your going to fold you should prob just flat.

pkrfce9

I think you have to 3 bet though

I guess I flat or fold to the 4 bet. Not sure which is better

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djgolfcan

sn1perb0y;365095 wroteBut why risk it against a flip? I mean im guarnteed 2nd place and potential first place. having 50% 688 and 50% 1313, or 100% 976 and 50% 1313..I'm going with the second choice.

I don't think he is calling off 100bbs with less than jjs and AQ which if u put on pokerstove its 50/50

moose;365097 wroteWhoa sorry I totally misread the stack sizes. I see what you mean. Your m is 100 not 10.

I probably raise to 500k first which is not stack committing and play it cautiously after that.

sn1perb0y;365098 wroteSo would you go with AK here or not?

Also a 9bb guy vs 2 100bbs+ is most likely going to be out in 3rd if we are gonna wait for him to bust..

Oops, thought you had 10BBs too. No, I don't ship it with 100 BBs with AKs with a 10B stack still to bust, too much money on the line.

I call the 3-bet and see a flop and re-evaluate.

Wetts1012

pkrfce9;365114 wroteI think you have to 3 bet though

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This is a clear situation where rape equity applies. I am 4 betting almost my entire range against a villain who is this deep with a cripple still in.

djgolfcan

Wetts1012;365116 wroteThis is a clear situation where rape equity applies. I am 4 betting almost my entire range against a villain who is this deep with a cripple still in.

And after he 5 bet shoves ?

Wetts1012

djgolfcan;365118 wroteAnd after he 5 bet shoves ?

There were like 9 bets in this hand, but thats my point. we can't assume that villains 4 bet range is only super nuts. But youre deep enough where it doesnt have to get to that point.

pkrfce9

I know wetts. I have played against you...

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