pkrfce9
Wetts1012;356713 wroteDear frequenters of the OTL,
I have not read your threads.
But your posts appear to be long, well thought out, and you appear to be passionate about the issues being discussed. Kudos.
Unfortunately the same passion and discussion does not, in my opinion, appear to be transferred into the primary focus of this forum.
You fail to chime in on the few and far between poker related posts on this forum. You fail to bring thoughts on hands and analysis to the table.
Failing to see this site for what it is (a poker related business, generating very small revenues for the site owner), will be the demise when the poker related traffic dies (new people come here for the game, not for the OTL).
I am obviously not pointing out everyone, but making a general blanket statement that most of the traffic on this site is not poker related, and thats not a good thing for our long term survival.
Discuss.
+infinity^infinity
moose
I'm not saying everything is kosher. I'm saying it is what it is, given the current popularity of online poker has faded significantly with shutdown of poker sites/online cheating scandals/confiscation of funds and shutout of US players.
As far as other poker forums have gone boom/busto, the site has not seen near the same decline. More people on this site are interested in live vs online and the former casual players are more interested in staking/railing than playing themselves. This is where the poker content on this site is headed.
If you are interested in learning the optimal push/fold situations, how to grind heads up sngs and other strategies I think you can find that content argued endlessly over on 2+2. However I don't think you will find Blondefish's analysis of the best tournies to play in Ontario nor the opportunity to stake local players in the WSOP and other tournaments over there.
There is enough poker expertise here that if someone does post a strategy question, there are sufficient responses to satisfy the question. Pointing fingers at people who have no interest in discussing when to fold AA preflop, and how many years you should stay in school before turning pro, all over again and saying the problem is that they don't contribute to the poker content, when really they can add nothing that hasn't been said already, isn't suddenly going to add to the profitability of the site.
ddmilcan
having said that... I do not post much any more, frequently get the, " you have not posted recently" reminder
But always enjoy the posts on strategy. I do not play regularly and am embarrassed to post about my hands, as I am sure it would show tremendous bad judgment or a chemical imbalance that made me do it.
I love Mark's Omaha discussions, Wetts, Pokerjah, djgolfcan's Hold'em posts
(only named a few, there are many more of you)
Opinions and discussion I find most helpful, with rebuttals to view all angles
are great, when the post suddenly gets de-railed by a personal attack, I think the Moderators should just immediately lock the post. far too many people hide behind their keyboards.
Just my opinion, and with all this typing (2 finger) I should be exempted from the non-post comment until the new year
Milton Slim, Snowflake, etal
Movowelling
Am i an example?
I joined this site 3 yrs ago because I had a question about a hand I played in a tourney at Brantford. I got the answers I wanted and nobody filleted me. Since then I have barely played poker. I've played 2 tournies at Aj's and that was 2 yrs ago. I went to Vegas in may armed with some info off of Moose, GTA etc but I didn't bother with a tr as I only played maybe 6 hrs of cards in 3 days.
I'm not even a wknd hack anymore. I read strat on here and I think to myself, I have no interest in learning the game if this is now the bare minimum. 10 yrs ago I was probably a decent player compared to the field. Now I'm a fish, so I play for kicks once in a blue moon. I haven't played online in a yr and even when I did it was a 40$ deposit every month or so.
This site is friendly enough, if not a bit incestuous.
As for AJ game the first one I went to I finished 2nd. Totally luck boxed my way hitting everything. I had Steve Kerr tilted so bad he was starting to berate me and even tweeted during the game that I was the worst player and hitting everything. At a casino I would have expected this, but for a 40$ home game he should have just gone and f***** himself. I didn't say anything then as it was the first time I had met anyone from the site. If it were at a casino I probably would have been kicked out because I wouldn't have just remained quiet or ignored him.
Anyway, I know Steve is a demigod around here and most of this is probably blasphemy. Under other circumstances I might have had another opinion but that kind of turned me off from home games from this site and posting any legit questions.
As it turned out, my interest and funds available for poker dried up pretty fast with the birth if our son 2 yrs ago
Any grammar errors - wrote this on my iPhone.
compuease
Movowelling;356786 wrote
Anyway, I know Steve is a demigod around here and most of this is probably blasphemy.
Nah, not a demi god, that's my role. ;) I've know Steve for quite a few years, played with him numerous times. He is certainly passionate about the game and more successful at it than most on here, moi included. He may have just been having a bad run or day at the time, give him another chance. He is one of the ones who seems to have a good balance between home, work and play (ie poker). There are quite a few more, who although wouldn't consider themselves "pro's" like our resident c**** mover, do have quite a bit of success at the "game" we all (or most of us at least) love.
Not sure if I've ever played with you but would be glad to anytime... In short, give the game, and us another chance..
wildbill7145
I might just be repeating what Moose said, but this issue comes up every now and again on here and I just don't understand it.
I don't understand why people keep associating the OTL with the amount of poker related discussion on this site. I also don't understand why people keep comparing the traffic of one subforum to others. It's not like we have a finite amount of space or bandwidth or something that's being usurped by the OTL.
If people want more poker related discussion on here, they should generate more, discuss more, etc. If more poker related discussion happens on here, more people interested in poker related discussion will frequent the site for it. They may engage in the OTL as well, but I don't see how that impacts the amount of poker related traffic.
I do read a lot of the poker related discussion on here. I don't offer much in terms of strategy, but that's because I'm generally not what I would consider a great player. I am an ok player and an enthusiast. I love to read about it though. We have some great players on this site. We've lost some great players as well, and I believe they incorrectly blamed the lack of poker related discussion. It doesn't generate itself, so discuss it if you want to read more about it.
Every forum I've ever been involved with has an OTL/general discussion subforum, some even have two or more. I don't see it stealing anything from the primary theme of the forum as a whole.
There are many ways to view this forum. If people don't want to have to sift through threads in the OTL, there are various ways you never even have to know they exist.
Just my thoughts.
Tonychanman
I really wish that the forum was better distributed in terms of live poker content for all of Canada. The forum may have been that way at one point but now it seems to be 90% Ontario stuff. I don't contribute to much poker related content because so much of it is about Ontario casinos and poker rooms. It's not anyone's fault, it's just the way it has turned out.
I still visit the forum on a daily basis and read all the new posts and as long as the new posts keep rolling in, I don't see why this forum is going anywhere. Whether it's poker related or not, this forum still has, and I think it will continue to have, enough traffic to keep it relevant and keep members posting. As long as the forum owner isn't bleeding money to keep the site up, I don't see it going into the tank.
Wetts1012
Re: Bill
At no point did I say I had any issue with the amount of volume in the OTL.
My theory is that the lack of poker content, on a poker forum, will eventually cause it to fail.
Combined with the fact that we are losing the strong poker related posters (Richard, Jules, BTP - did you guys even notice they were gone?), I was just asking that the OTL posters engage the poker discussion a little more. That way, new poker related posters wont feel intimidated and those who left will be replaced.
Its so frustrating that there are people who have played this game for years on this forum and have absolutely no drive or desire to learn more or improve.
pkrfce9
Wetts1012;356822 wroteIts so frustrating that there are people who have played this game for years on this forum and have absolutely no drive or desire to learn more or improve.
or to share their knowledge with those eager to learn. i think there might be a few of those left here.
wildbill7145
You're right Wetts, you didn't say anything about the volume in the OTL. I guess I was generalizing a bit. It has been a common theme in the general complaint about the lack of poker related content on here.
I definitely noticed when BTP stopped posting and JulesDAA and Richard, etc. I'm seriously glad that Blondefish has cranked up his posting and read each and every thread he creates. I'm also quite interested in a lot of the posts that yourself and the other great players on here say in them.
A lot of the posters in the OTL (DISCLAIMER: I could be wrong and I'm not saying everyone so don't shit on me OT people) don't post much in the strategy threads simply because we're not that good. Myself included. I love playing poker as a social activity, I just don't have the time in my life to spend studying it. I do enjoy reading the threads you guys involve yourselves in though.
I guess all I can say is that I hope you keep posting strategy and other better players than I do so as well. Some of us just enjoy reading it.
Wetts1012;356822 wroteRe: Bill
At no point did I say I had any issue with the amount of volume in the OTL.
My theory is that the lack of poker content, on a poker forum, will eventually cause it to fail.
Combined with the fact that we are losing the strong poker related posters (Richard, Jules, BTP - did you guys even notice they were gone?), I was just asking that the OTL posters engage the poker discussion a little more. That way, new poker related posters wont feel intimidated and those who left will be replaced.
Its so frustrating that there are people who have played this game for years on this forum and have absolutely no drive or desire to learn more or improve.
Tonychanman
To be honest I've stayed away from posting in strategy posts because I feel that my poker knowledge is tiers below those who already contribute, ie. GTA, Richard, BTP, etc.. it can be kind of intimidating. I don't want to offer advice which is wrong or partially wrong.
Wetts1012
Tonychanman;356826 wroteTo be honest I've stayed away from posting in strategy posts because I feel that my poker knowledge is tiers below those who already contribute, ie. GTA, Richard, BTP, etc.. it can be kind of intimidating. I don't want to offer advice which is wrong or partially wrong.
Then dont offer advice!
Part of the experience is talking about hands and asking questions to the rest of the community.
The next time you play live, Im almost certain there will be a specific hand or situation you question while youre driving home.
Why not post it here and see what people think?
wildbill7145
I wonder if this discussion begs the question as to whether this site is a poker community or a poker learning site? Or both? A while back during a similar discussion about something, drtyore called it a poker learning site which kind of surprised me. I think he was offering his free, non optional coaching. I disagreed that it was exclusively that, and could be a venue for learning as part of a community.
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GTA Poker
Movowelling;356786 wroteAm i an example?
I joined this site 3 yrs ago because I had a question about a hand I played in a tourney at Brantford. I got the answers I wanted and nobody filleted me. Since then I have barely played poker. I've played 2 tournies at Aj's and that was 2 yrs ago. I went to Vegas in may armed with some info off of Moose, GTA etc but I didn't bother with a tr as I only played maybe 6 hrs of cards in 3 days.
I'm not even a wknd hack anymore. I read strat on here and I think to myself, I have no interest in learning the game if this is now the bare minimum. 10 yrs ago I was probably a decent player compared to the field. Now I'm a fish, so I play for kicks once in a blue moon. I haven't played online in a yr and even when I did it was a 40$ deposit every month or so.
This site is friendly enough, if not a bit incestuous.
As for AJ game the first one I went to I finished 2nd. Totally luck boxed my way hitting everything. I had Steve Kerr tilted so bad he was starting to berate me and even tweeted during the game that I was the worst player and hitting everything. At a casino I would have expected this, but for a 40$ home game he should have just gone and f***** himself. I didn't say anything then as it was the first time I had met anyone from the site. If it were at a casino I probably would have been kicked out because I wouldn't have just remained quiet or ignored him.
Anyway, I know Steve is a demigod around here and most of this is probably blasphemy. Under other circumstances I might have had another opinion but that kind of turned me off from home games from this site and posting any legit questions.
As it turned out, my interest and funds available for poker dried up pretty fast with the birth if our son 2 yrs ago
Any grammar errors - wrote this on my iPhone.
I've never berated anyone in a live game no matter how much I've lost on a given night.
I've also came to realize around 8 years ago that most posters on here don't play very much poker.
Poker right now seems to be in a bit of a tailspin due to various reasons (US banning online poker, the economy, countless confirmed cheating scandals...).
GTA Poker
Tonychanman;356813 wroteI really wish that the forum was better distributed in terms of live poker content for all of Canada. The forum may have been that way at one point but now it seems to be 90% Ontario stuff. I don't contribute to much poker related content because so much of it is about Ontario casinos and poker rooms. It's not anyone's fault, it's just the way it has turned out.
Hmmm..give it a month.
Gabbo
GTA Poker
I don't know anything about the value of websites, but I recall quickly googling the value of this site 3-4 years ago and coming up with around 5k. Today...$2 to $710 across 5 valuation search engines.
Comp could probably comment more on the reliability of these numbers.
PS -- I would buy it before it shut down, so no imminent demise ahead.
wildbill7145
Ha. I checked that out earlier as well. Profit anywhere from $3 per day to I think $50 or something.
What would our world look like with GTA as our overlord? Gabbo? (I still have no idea what that means other than some character from the simpsons circa S03 or something)
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compuease
GTA Poker;356833 wroteI don't know anything about the value of websites, but I recall quickly googling the value of this site 3-4 years ago and coming up with around 5k. Today...$2 to $710 across 5 valuation search engines.
Comp could probably comment more on the reliability of these numbers.
PS -- I would buy it before it shut down, so no imminent demise ahead.
I would be the one buying it.. :) lol, no fear of it shutting down as it does generate + revenue, just not sure of the amount. As for reliability of those numbers, the site is worth what someone is willing to pay for it... With the free modding there is little expense involved, just the hosting fees. I would think this site (although I can't tell) is on some sort of hosting service where a monthly charge is based on size and traffic. So more traffic generates both cost and revenue. Difference is profit. Jesse could tell us but is not likely to.. I would guess a few hundred a month is all.. However as long as there is profit we should be in no danger.
wildbill7145;356834 wroteHa. I checked that out earlier as well. Profit anywhere from $3 per day to I think $50 or something.
I think somewhere in between is probably right.. Guessing $10-20. per day.
Milo
Wetts1012;356822 wroteRe: Bill
At no point did I say I had any issue with the amount of volume in the OTL.
My theory is that the lack of poker content, on a poker forum, will eventually cause it to fail.
Maybe . . .
Combined with the fact that we are losing the strong poker related posters (Richard, Jules, BTP - did you guys even notice they were gone?),
Yes . . . but there are several factors that may have caused this. Lack of engagement in poker discussion is simply one, while "outgrowing" the knowledge base is another.
I was just asking that the OTL posters engage the poker discussion a little more. That way, new poker related posters wont feel intimidated and those who left will be replaced.
Much like Bill and Movowelling, I enjoy the strat section, but rarely post. I have an understanding of GTO play, as well as what is meant by "unexploitable play", etc. the thing is, I am simply not going to commit the time needed for that knowledge to be worth serious study on my part. I suspect most of the "regs" who do not post in the strat for a are in a similar boat. they have reached a skill level that allows them to enjoy the games they frequent, and be reasonably competitive.
It does not mean I do not learn anything from those posts, simply that I feel any contribution I might make would be that of a high schooler talking to PhD candidates.
Its so frustrating that there are people who have played this game for years on this forum and have absolutely no drive or desire to learn more or improve.
I can understand that point, as it is one I experience with the fish that I exploit away from the Forum (and yes, there
ARE bigger donks than me out there). People play for many reasons, and trying to teach those who will not learn will drive you insane.
Tonychanman
Milo;356837 wrote It does not mean I do not learn anything from those posts, simply that I feel any contribution I might make would be that of a high schooler talking to PhD candidates.
^This.