smooth calling preflop in MTTs

trigs

how often do you smooth call* preflop in MTTs?

what's the best time to do so? i.e. optimal setting to smooth call?

what kinds of hands should you be considering smooth calling with?

or is smooth calling preflop not a good play?

personally, i rarely smooth call preflop (i tend to prefer to stay aggressive and raise/reraise), but i just wanted to hear some opinions from others.

*for clarification, by smooth call i mean: A call made when a player would typically have been expected to raise or reraise.

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okok, first of all, whats a smooth call ???

Richard~

I call a lot, I like flops

trigs

darbday;327000 wroteokok, first of all, whats a smooth call ???

A call made when a player would typically have been expected to raise or reraise.

Richard~

trigs;327004 wroteA call made when a player would typically have been expected to raise or reraise.

really? To me a smooth call is just a call

trigs

Richard~;327002 wroteI call a lot, I like flops

i'd really like to hear more info.

what's your general VP for full table MTTs?

what types of hands are you looking to play? do you play a lot of low connectors and such or are you calling preflop with pretty much anything and are just more worried about position?

trigs

Richard~;327006 wrotereally? To me a smooth call is just a call

really? idk that what i always thought it meant. that's actually a copy and pasted definition off the internetz.

and that's the definition i was meaning to ask about.

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lol smooth call and the amount it was said in OP is lol

trigs

costanza;327011 wrotelol smooth call and the amount it was said in OP is lol

umm...what?

thanks for the input costanza.

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this is largely a question about gap theory then correct?

trigs

darbday;327014 wrotethis is largely a question about gap theory then correct?

well yeah i would think so. although doesn't gap theory suggest a raise in these types of positions? and smooth calling is kind of going against this principle?

idk if that's correct.

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trigs;327015 wrotewell yeah i would think so. although doesn't gap theory suggest a raise in these types of positions? and smooth calling is kind of going against this principle?

idk if that's correct.

Yes, except gap theory tells you what hands to flat.

This is the best I can explain it (and I may not be completely correct):
https://vimeo.com/44913652

Richard~

darb just likes to use fancy words and complicate things

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Richard~;327017 wrotedarb just likes to use fancy words and complicate things

oh no no...you won't find that so much with me. What happened here is we stumbled upon a fundamental, so we shouldn't unfancy it any further. ^-^

Richard~

darbday;327018 wroteoh no no...you won't find that so much with me. What happened here is we stumbled upon a fundamental, so we shouldn't unfancy it any further. ^-^

HmMMMMMMM...

trigs

darbday;327016 wroteYes, except gap theory tells you what hands to flat.

This is the best I can explain it (and I may not be completely correct):
https://vimeo.com/44913652

thanks darb. i'll check it out and let you know if i have more questions ;)

moose

Is this darb's video or someone else. Had to quit 8 min in because the guy doesn't know how to use pokerstove at all. Seriously tilting at watching him manually click each starting hand. ARGGH! DUDE JUST DRAG THE SLIDER BAR AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN TO THE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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moose;327023 wroteIs this darb's video or someone else. Had to quit 8 min in because the guy doesn't know how to use pokerstove at all. Seriously tilting at watching him manually click each starting hand. ARGGH! DUDE JUST DRAG THE SLIDER BAR AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN TO THE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:-\:p

But then it picks a bunch of hands we don't want?

I think the idea is to think about picking individual hands so we think about really customizing ranges rather than giving general ranges like loose, average, and tight or 20% 25% 30% etc.

But maybe I should watch it again and watch out for that in the future ^-^

criticism= good though

trigs

good video darb. it was helpful for sure. still got a few questions though

so obviously we're looking to occasionally smooth call only when our hand holds up against their preflop raise range. i get that.

but how often should we be doing this as opposed to raising/reraising with a hand that we'd normally be raising with? does it just depend on the opponent?

i'm assuming a smooth call should be thrown in every now and then just to keep opponents guessing. i so rarely use it and i'm wondering if it's an aspect i'm missing out on.

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Ahh...ic so you really meant smooth call as opposed to just flatting.

Def too advanced for me to suggest when to do it but I think its important to point out (although obvious) we make money vs weaker players by value betting (3betting) our nut hands. So I wouldn't worry about it much at all, but someone else better has to tell you when to actually use it.

Just seems to me you would do it against good players you will continue to have a history against. But that being said you are prob better of to add bluff hands to your 3bet range then to flat your nut hands.

Curious how others see smooth calling...