tomsss
I recently played in the Blue Water classic taking place at Point Edward casino this week and I would recommend that you avoid playing at all costs. I was told by some people at my local casino that the tournament directors are extremely biased towards the locals and my experience backs that up.
We had played down to about 40 people when I went all in from seat ten. Seat one called me and everyone else folded. I tabled my pair of twos in front of me and I saw that seat ten had ace king. Seat ten then said what does he got as the dealer was in the way of him seeing. I moved my cards out from in front of me and one of the edges of the card touched the muck. The dealer immediately called the tournament director who told me that their rule was that if any cards touched the muck the hand was dead. I explained to him that I tabled my cards in front of me first and only moved them out when seat ten requested to see what I had. The dealer stated the first time she saw the cards was when I moved them out (because she was not paying attention). Four people at the table backed me up but the TD said he was only interested in what the dealer said. He declared my hand dead and awarded the chips to the player in seat ten. I noticed that when the player in seat ten was moved to our table a few minutes earlier the dealer greeted him by name and asked how his mother was. All I can say is that I will never return to Point Edward. I asked TD at Branford and Niagara casino how they would have ruled and even though they are all under the same set of rules they told me the decision was a joke and they would have dealt the cards out. Consider yourself warned!
wildbill7145
I hate to say it, but I don't think I'd care too much about seat 10 asking to see my cards. That's not my problem once they've been tabled.
Players are responsible for their cards at all times.
tomsss
Are you serious dude? Do you work for Port Edward? Is the dealer was doing her job instead of staring off into space it would not have been an issue. There was no question as to what my cards were. They were face up and 95% off the discards.
wildbill7145
Welcome to the forum.
Hellmuth's Mole
New business plan........move to Port Edward......become a local......go to casino often......reap untold winnings. ez game.
tomsss
Thank you for the welcome.
I am amazed that in a world that includes the full tilt debacle people still don’t seem to care if others are ripped off. It was me today it will be you tomorrow, lol.
djgolfcan
Its an all in and a call. The cards are moved by the dealer to the middle of the table, then the dealer deals out the board. Of course this is a ridiculous ruling and I'd be livid too.
literation
tomsss;308189 wroteAre you serious dude? Do you work for Port Edward?
Soul read.
compuease
I have a feeling there is more to this story than presently tabled..
Your first post is something like this? naw, ulterior motive imo... Are you sure you didn't fling them after the dealer flopped a A or K? Just wondering..
Milo
Also . . . lol at getting a correct answer out of ANYONE at Niagara . . .
jontm
Did OP happen to pick up any final results? save me a lot of emails...just saying
Popkorn
From my understanding, if there is an all-in and a call, both hands must be shown, and the players hands are not allowed to be mucked. If they are mucked, the floor is supposed to do their best to retrieve the hand. This is to prevent collusion from chip dumping from a big stack to a little stack.
But then again, I've played in casinos where rules differ depending on which supervisor you ask.
tomsss
As I said no flop was shown.
holychow
That's brutal! The floor made a terrible decision. What a noob!
holychow
compuease;308248 wroteI have a feeling there is more to this story than presently tabled..
Your first post is something like this? naw, ulterior motive imo... Are you sure you didn't fling them after the dealer flopped a A or K? Just wondering..
I would have ninja starred cards, Ferguson style, right into the dealers forehead after I saw an overcard on the flop.
Meistro
Tabled hands can't be killed & the muck has no magic hand destroying powers. You got hosed.
compuease
I stand by my original statement of..
"I have a feeling there is more to this story than presently tabled.."
jontm
Nm...sent the emails, got results
tomsss
the only thing more is that no one plays the tbale games. There were no tables going just before the tournamnet in the poker room and I told that often is the case. I guess they have to try to get some money in there by favouring locals, lol.
Juice
I am surprised to read this post because I happened to be playing on this same table when this incident happened.
From what I remember, your first action was when you tabled your cards you threw them so hard they went into the muck. Your cards were not first tabled and then moved into the muck, you threw them in there. The dealer then called the floor. There was no conversation with the other player at all about them not being able to see your cards and you moving them into the muck.
None of us at the table backed you up, we were all dead silent because your cards were sitting in the muck. We all felt bad for you because you were so upset.
It is a pretty basic rule that any seasoned poker player knows. If your cards hit the muck, they are dead.
What you didnt see when you left the table was that once you were gone we all talked about it and backed up the TD's decision. We just didnt want to say anything in front of you because you were so visibly upset.
It was not the dealers fault, that was doing her job, it was not the TD's fault for making the call.
As poker players, sometimes we have to learn the hard way for our mistakes. However I dont think you learned anything here because your attitude is that you didnt do anything wrong and are blaming everyone (dealer, TD, collusion with people at the table etc) but yourself.
I do like what Popkorn had to say though. I wish more casino's used that rule.