Trivial call?

betrthanphil

darbday;303914 wrote are we playing the same game, ha? well a reg can do this with a weak hand to look strong, or even sometimes vice versa, but generally with under 10bbs a shove or fold is only correct, esp if hes a reg and sees me in the bb....so not for sure bad maybe, but I'd definitely bet on it.

yes lots of people do it and for more reasons than that even...but a random i think is most likely doing it with a medium strength strong hand.

ok , btw the more i read and re learn some of the books ive read, the more right your crazy logic is starting to become

Most certainly not! lol

reibs

darbday;303916 wrote
Don't do this math in my opinion, use the nash calculator. :mad:

No no I do use it, but I like doin it this way too. Makes me feel like I understand reasoning rather than just playing with a program. Even though i dont know if its right or not.

reibs

darbday;303916 wrote
no no, not true, many regs id fold aqo

if hes a reg, snap call, and take note!!!

Wait, do we have the same meaning of "reg"??

reibs

darbday;303916 wrote
no i think its not usually a monster...i think its usually mid strong hands like jj tt aq aj etc

I was refering to Fed's post about it being TT+ and AQ+ because of the raise size....

I dont know if I would be able to put weighted range to it just based on this sizing. Without notes, the sizing could mean nothing, or it could mean everything.

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reibs;303919 wroteWait, do we have the same meaning of "reg"??

1 type of reg does this with aa and kk pretty much only, this is bad and exploitable because you can take the nuts out of most of his short stack shove game. not completely but you can make borderline calls vs them

another type only does this with weak hands and mostly when the are on atc. this not only means they are weak but makes their shoving ranges stronger.

few regs balance this kinda of thing...

if you can note them on it its gold

Richard~

I can't imagine a type of reg who does this with nuts only... probably just a type of drooler

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Richard~;303922 wroteI can't imagine a type of reg who does this with nuts only... probably just a type of drooler

no youre right, i don't know they are 'regs'....just a player type (but there are a lot of bad regs too)

HammerDad

IMO, it is a close fold>shove>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>call.

Villain is likely bad given bet sizing. More often then not they are just hoping to steal the blinds here with a medium to decent PP (88-jj) or like AQ/KQ. Someone who plays like this is generally a poor post-flop player and is afraid of getting out played. That being said, given villains stack and the size of the pot, it i likely going in on the flop anyway and we may have end up with the right odds to call whether we hit or not. Ergo, if you are gonna call pre, you better be willing to get it in on most any flop....so why not just get it in now.

My feeling on villain, they are scared money and won't want to play flops. Their raise sizing isn't so much as steal but more likely fear. If Darb doesn't have ANY stats on them, they are unlikely to be a reg...unless he doesn't have a HUD (which I doubt). Yeah I know there are thousands of players blah blah, but he is enough of a reg to at least have some hand history on a bunch. As such, I would prefer to keep it smaller vs them and avoid playing for stacks when we are likely only flipping.

So I fold and find another spot to punish them.

And I agree with Darb, had this been a reg they are likely a very bad reg. And if they are raising higher with stronger holdings it would be completely exploitable. However, if they do this once and a while with a wider range to balance, it is harder, as there is the chance of being fairly far ahead.

But without reads, I am leaning towards fold.

Vekked

trivial shove + take notes regardless of result

betrthanphil

Vekked;304071 wrotetrivial shove + take notes regardless of result

the voice of reason!

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