another JJ spot

Hobbes

pele1515;296754 wroteJust my opinion. You were right in this spot yes. But in the future I will have him on the more conservative (tighter) range.

He just showed you how light he is going to shove. How can you put him on a tighter range in the future?

Hellmuth's Mole

KQ is 34% against your JJ (39%) and Arag (27%) too risky?

Hobbes

Event the top 10% of his range you are ahead.
Like you said, it's a 180 and unlike the 45 mans which is a lot about survival, you need to chip up or fire up another here.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

193,490,352 games 0.000 secs 38,698,070,400 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.891% 56.20% 00.69% 108734756 1344285.00 { JdJs }
Hand 1: 43.109% 42.41% 00.69% 82067026 1344285.00 { 88+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo }

pele1515

Hobbes;296756 wroteHe just showed you how light he is going to shove. How can you put him on a tighter range in the future?

I realize how light the shove can be here. But against an villain that I have no notes on I would treat it with the more conservative range. Thats just me tho.

Hellmuth's Mole

darbday;296753 wroteyou cannot see a flop for 10bbs . If you put 10bbs in you have to call, so if your opp in the bb wants to see a flop with ak and fold every time he doesn't hit, then we are very very happy

if i think the bb was bad enough to flat 10bbs and then fold on a flop he missed then i would always flat and jam any flop that i didn't hit a set on

Sorry, with AK I'm snap shoving behind to a shove and a flat....maybe even AQ. I didn't make that clear.

GTA Poker

pele1515;296754 wroteJust my opinion. You were right in this spot yes. But in the future I will have him on the more conservative (tighter) range.

I have no idea what you are talking about here. I was 100% correct in assigning a range, but somehow next time I will be incorrect in the exact same spot?

GTA Poker

pele1515;296759 wroteI realize how light the shove can be here. But against an villain that I have no notes on I would treat it with the more conservative range. Thats just me tho.

So, now that you have more info you choose to play exactly the same and not utilize that info?

GG

pele1515

GTA Poker;296762 wroteI have no idea what you are talking about here. I was 100% correct in assigning a range, but somehow next time I will be incorrect in the exact same spot?

I'm not saying you will be incorrect next time. I'm saying in my opinion, next time, I will still keep the villain on the more conservative range. This is a difference in how we play the game. I'm not saying your right or wrong.

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pele1515;296750 wrote...but imo its not a time you want to be SS.

i'm not sure what you meant by this

anyways the shover in question is new to online and not likely very good. That will make my calling range (which is a re-shove iso here), about 99+ aq+

sometimes i will add in some aj and 88
in a 180 man turbo 10bbs eff never fold jacks even if its 9 ways. as a matter of fact I wouldn't fold it 30bbs eff.

these games have a lot of regs in them and you can't pick or choose spots you have to take them all.

and the amount of people left only really matters at 19 and the ft

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GTA Poker;296762 wroteI have no idea what you are talking about here. I was 100% correct in assigning a range, but somehow next time I will be incorrect in the exact same spot?

here's a fun one....what did villains range end up being?

GTA Poker

darbday;296765 wrotei'm not sure what you meant by this

anyways the shover in question is new to online and not likely very good. That will make my calling range (which is a re-shove iso here), about 99+ aq+

sometimes i will add in some aj and 88
in a 180 man turbo 10bbs eff never fold jacks even if its 9 ways. as a matter of fact I wouldn't fold it 30bbs eff.

these games have a lot of regs in them and you can't pick or choose spots you have to take them all.

and the amount of people left only really matters at 19 and the ft

I'd think regs shove wider than you're describing, no?

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GTA Poker;296768 wroteI'd think regs shove wider than you're describing, no?

yup, villain is not a reg

GTA Poker

darbday;296770 wroteyup, villain is not a reg

Ok, but I think most players these days would shove wider than you describe. Do you really think 44-77 and Ax (at least A9+), KQ are folding this spot? I think my range is closer than yours in describing an unknown.

Hellmuth's Mole

GTA Poker;296773 wroteOk, but I think most players these days would shove wider than you describe. Do you really think 44-77 and Ax (at least A9+), KQ are folding this spot? I think my range is closer than yours in describing an unknown.

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GTA Poker;296773 wroteOk, but I think most players these days would shove wider than you describe. Do you really think 44-77 and Ax (at least A9+), KQ are folding this spot? I think my range is closer than yours in describing an unknown.

not with these stats

but tell me what you think his range ended up being?

CRIS&AMP;TANI18 Poker Results and Statistics - Official Poker Rankings

GTA Poker

darbday;296776 wrotenot with these stats

but tell me what you think his range ended up being?

CRIS&AMP;TANI18 Poker Results and Statistics - Official Poker Rankings

I think his range was what I initially described. OP doesn't know his stats at the table.

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GTA Poker;296773 wrote Do you really think 44-77 and Ax (at least A9+), KQ are folding this spot?

in order for a default villain to have these in his range he has to always be shoving them, but i think a lot of these hands he limps, mins, or raises. And sometimes shoves

GTA Poker;296778 wroteI think his range was what I initially described. OP doesn't know his stats at the table.

Possible OP doesn't know his stats but should incorporate them for future spots...

I think that range is too wide, i mean i will have a better read at this table, but we have to remember on randoms a lot of time they don't know what shoving is so a hand like KT won't be a shove except for the oddball who just shows up with weird shoves.

my point is that just because he shows a6o doesn't mean his range is:

[ATTACH]1047[/ATTACH]

but rather more like this:

[ATTACH]1048[/ATTACH]

pele1515

thank you darb, thats what I was trying to say earlier

Hellmuth's Mole

darbday;296780 wrote
but rather more like this:

[ATTACH]1048[/ATTACH]

um, no.

GTA Poker

darbday;296780 wrotein order for a default villain to have these in his range he has to always be shoving them, but i think a lot of these hands he limps, mins, or raises. And sometimes shoves

Possible OP doesn't know his stats but should incorporate them for future spots...

I think that range is too wide, i mean i will have a better read at this table, but we have to remember on randoms a lot of time they don't know what shoving is so a hand like KT won't be a shove except for the oddball who just shows up with weird shoves.

my point is that just because he shows a6o doesn't mean his range is:

[ATTACH]1047[/ATTACH]

but rather more like this:

[ATTACH]1048[/ATTACH]

that does not make sense to me...I can see adding in a few random hands like 57 but A6o is not a random hand and that he shoves A6 means that he shoves A7, etc.

Also, saying that he will shove A6 but not 22 doesn't make sense to me.

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