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Update:

The rake changes initially planned in how rake is calculated and the rake cap across stakes has now been cancelled due to player feedback. The change to the 'weighted contributed' system remains.

Below is a more detailed explanation from our VIP Club manager.

As a direct result of player input, we are cancelling the planned rake changes that were to be implemented in early January 2012. We will still use the incremental method to calculate rake instead of true percentage rake. Rake caps and percentages will remain exactly as they are today.

I would like to add a few comments:

The current rake at PokerStars is the lowest by far among all major poker sites.
We are confident that the planned rake changes would have resulted in a further overall decrease in ring game rake site wide, and a decrease for a majority of players.

There has been much inaccurate information spread about the impact of the changes. As an example, the changes would not have resulted in a 50% increase in rake for 5-handed play. While there would have been an increase in average rake for 5-handed play at NL tables with stakes of $0.25/$0.50 and higher, it would be far less than 50% (for stakes up to $0.10/$0.25 there was either no change or reduction in caps for 5-handed play). Most hands do not reach the cap and thus would not be affected. The rake for many hands dealt to 5 players would actually be lower at many stakes due to the lower rake percentage (4.5% reduced from 5%). If players review rake at other online poker rooms, they will discover that it is the standard for the rake caps to be the same when 5 or more players are dealt into a hand. PokerStars has been the one notable exception to this system.

In summary we still believe that the proposed rake system taken as a whole would result in a more balanced and fair rake system for players. However, given that players have responded so negatively to this change, which also has a cost to PokerStars due to the reduced rake, we felt that the best course of action is to cancel the change.

The change to the Weighted Contributed method of awarding VPPs will remain as announced.

GTA Poker

philliivey;291996 wrotewow the winds of greed are blowing 1st of all........

Next I am not sure if this is a good thing or not concerning sng's? Are the cash nits going to sng's now? If so that's bad but on the other side is these cash players going to sng's and still play the "cash" way, than that might be good.

Not sure, not sure:-\

Pretty doubtful that a winning cash player would move to sngs...sngs are generally the first step for online grinders

T8urmoney

What the fuck........wake up early this morning to do my weekly Saturday early am grind, only to find that all of the guarentee's are fucking gone.

Fucking brutal, even Party has kept all their guarentee's today.

Majorly fucking pissed....obv reg'd in some before I noticed. I expect alot more from Pokerstars.....this is fucking rediculous.

I've obviously reg'd for my last tourney of the year.

fu Pokerstars

GTA Poker

T8urmoney;292232 wroteWhat the fuck........wake up early this morning to do my weekly Saturday early am grind, only to find that all of the guarentee's are fucking gone.

Fucking brutal, even Party has kept all their guarentee's today.

Majorly fucking pissed....obv reg'd in some before I noticed. I expect alot more from Pokerstars.....this is fucking rediculous.

I've obviously reg'd for my last tourney of the year.

fu Pokerstars

but how do you feel?

T8urmoney

GTA Poker;292233 wrotebut how do you feel?

got a bit of a headache....otherwise, not too bad

philliivey

If it is in response to the sitout tomorrow than you can thank your fellow "big time" players who are whining and bitching.

I am on their side of increased rake and maybe way too big of reduction in "rakeback" or bonuses but holy crap people do you realize how nice stars has been to players and actually listen to them about suggestions and such, no other site or any company in the real world would do what stars has done for the customer.

Stars wants to fly out a group of players to stars HQ to try and work something out FFS.:o

*** warning***

This is what I am getting from reading up on the 2p2 threads as of this moment, the above may not actually be the case and this is more of my opinion.

T8urmoney

philliivey;292241 wroteIf it is in response to the sitout tomorrow than you can thank your fellow "big time" players who are whining and bitching.

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wtf do cash games have to do with MTT's?

jdAA88

it's legit sickening that they took away all the guarantees, I mean at worst lower some of them if you're rly that worried about overlay, but just removing all of them is so bad.

Hobbes

So they now only have GTDs when they know they will meet them? :bs:

philliivey

T8urmoney;292245 wrotewtf do cash games have to do with MTT's?

It's all business, that's what.

Again I am not saying that's what is going on, but I do agree it is weird timing even being a holiday.

djgolfcan

WTF ?? Why did they remover ALL of the guaranteed tournies today ? I don't recall there being any overlays, ever. However, this does provide an opportunity to play smaller fields, and less time spent playing a tourney.

But this is ridiculous.

philliivey

djgolfcan;292254 wroteWTF ?? Why did they remover ALL of the guaranteed tournies today ? I don't recall there being any overlays, ever. However, this does provide an opportunity to play smaller fields, and less time spent playing a tourney.

But this is ridiculous.

+1

But

Someone enlighten me and say why this is such a big deal if your playing for the same amount of prizepool anyway, something to do with the leaderboard?

Having green numbers in the lobby really make that many fish want to play?

Have you noticed any big difference's today regarding field size and prizepools so far?

EDIT!!!

Ahh they removed the mtt's all together, not just the guarantee's, I thought they removed just the guarantee's.

philliivey

philliivey;292255 wrote+1

But

Someone enlighten me and say why this is such a big deal if your playing for the same amount of prizepool anyway, something to do with the leaderboard?

Having green numbers in the lobby really make that many fish want to play?

Have you noticed any big difference's today regarding field size and prizepools so far?

EDIT!!!

Ahh they removed the mtt's all together, not just the guarantee's, I thought they removed just the guarantee's.

As you can see from my edit, disregard as I see whatcha talking about now,lol:-[

T8urmoney

philliivey;292262 wroteAs you can see from my edit, disregard as I see whatcha talking about now,lol:-[

incorrect, all the tourneys are there, just no guarentees

for example, the reason I get up so phucking early on Saturdays is the $55 PLO that has a 30k guarentee.......today, has a prize pool of 13.6k

they're actually costing themselves money......people would normally register for tourneys as they see the guarentee....the same tourney with no guarentee beside it will have an exponentially smaller field, which means less rake

it's actually mindboggling why they would do this....maybe lower the guarentees, but eliminating them is phucking idiotic

djgolfcan

I am playing the $5.50 tourney at 1pm, which is ordinarily a $15k GTD tourney. We only have 546 registered so far. Less GTD money, means less players, means less rake.

Cerberus

Anyone else notice it's just for today though? Tourneys tomorrow still have the guarantees on them.

T8urmoney

They only did it for NYE

PokerStars VIP

Hi guys,

Sorry for the delay in responding. Yes, the guarantees were changed or removed because of the timing of New Year's Eve falling on a Saturday and thus greatly affecting participation. The guarantees should be back to their normal levels by now.

Dylan C

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PokerStars VIP;292563 wroteHi guys,

Sorry for the delay in responding. Yes, the guarantees were changed or removed because of the timing of New Year's Eve falling on a Saturday and thus greatly affecting participation. The guarantees should be back to their normal levels by now.

Dylan C

okok ...now forgive me if this has been dealt with already and i just need to find the proper setting...

i mass multi table and when my table ninja auto reg's on breaks my tourneys pop up and timebank for 5mins while im getting ready to play for the next hour.

so you have synced breaks but they aren't synced because your tourneys start on the breaks. and any sng's that come up during they break have the same issue.

this tilts a lot of rec players too because they don't understand why half the table is timing out for the first 5 miss of every tourney they are in..

So again if im missing something then let me know and thats great. But if not PS needs to fix this asap, I feel like maybe they don't want to move the tourneys back or ahead a few minutes to properly sync them...

but an easy solution is to make an option to 'auto sit out new tournaments' ...i don't mind missing the hands, but i can't come back to my comp to sit out on breaks.....

hope that was coherent ....

westside8

PokerStars VIP;292563 wroteHi guys,

Sorry for the delay in responding. Yes, the guarantees were changed or removed because of the timing of New Year's Eve falling on a Saturday and thus greatly affecting participation. The guarantees should be back to their normal levels by now.

Dylan C

Hey Dylan,

What's the point of putting guarantees in for tournaments when you remove it when you think you won't make it? Not like these tournaments are an one-time events like the SCOOP/WCOOP etc (where you rarely misses the guarantee anyways). What if you don't make guarantee for one day for these tournaments when most of them are smashed on a daily basis anyways.

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