asxn557
PokerStars Game #64893694252: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2011/07/22 1:19:13 ET
Table 'Melusina VIII' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Ducktaill ($30.45 in chips)
Seat 2: asxn557 ($67.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Hiku1 ($67.10 in chips)
Seat 5: NatalShark ($19.80 in chips)
Seat 6: ppr21 ($47.80 in chips)
Seat 7: a100da ($52 in chips)
Seat 8: LikeThisZZZ ($52.60 in chips)
Seat 9: R0BtheT0P ($46 in chips)
Hiku1: posts small blind $0.25
NatalShark: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to asxn557 [Ts Kc 6c 7s]
ppr21: folds
a100da: calls $0.50
LikeThisZZZ: raises $1 to $1.50
R0BtheT0P: folds
Ducktaill: calls $1.50
asxn557: calls $1.50
Hiku1: folds
hbtank joins the table at seat #3
NatalShark: calls $1
a100da: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [3h 4h 5c]
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get it in good with the nuts?
take the flip against the FD
i pot it and re evaluate the turn, otherwise re ship the raise
[deleted]
not to mention, thats exactly the type of flop u were looking for when u called that shit with your hand.
Steve.693
fold pre-flop with garbage.
but as played try to get to the river cheap as you have no redraws and hope to fade any cards that would give someone a higher straight or a flush. With 2 holdem hands in omaha you open yourself up to spots like this more often where you are possibly getting freerolled by someone with the same straight plus redraws to the a bigger straight or a flush
compuease
Steve.693;274930 wrote
but as played try to get to the river cheap
Whut? You mean not even bet the flop? As the corrected grammer daize says, pot the flop, re-evaluate the turn. Make the draws pay, if you get a blank on the turn, pot again.
The Highflyer
compuease;274939 wroteWhut? You mean not even bet the flop? As the corrected grammer daize says, pot the flop, re-evaluate the turn. Make the draws pay, if you get a blank on the turn, pot again.
^^ This. Pf call is good to see a flop, w/ amount of players in the hand pot it on the flop. Turn depends on how many players are still in and if it is a blank.
What you do on the turn depends on the the amount of players still in but another pot or 3/4 pot bet is a good route if it blanks. Ovb slow down otherwise.
literation
The Highflyer;274943 wrote^^ This. Pf call is good to see a flop, w/ amount of players in the hand pot it on the flop. Turn depends on how many players are still in and if it is a blank.
What you do on the turn depends on the the amount of players still in but another pot or 3/4 pot bet is a good route if it blanks. Ovb slow down otherwise.
Other than waiting for my turn to pot it, agree with these posters ^^^
T8urmoney
gettin daize;274926 wrotewhen u called that shit with your hand.
nit # 1
Steve.693;274930 wrotefold pre-flop with garbage.
nit # 2
T8urmoney
See alot of responses, but I think how you play this depends on the action as it gets to you.
There are 6 players to the flop.....if action goes crazy in front of you, serious re-evaluation needs to be done.
Although you've flopped the nuts, it's kind of a horrible flop (oxymorons are my specialty).....no redraws, you need exactly brick brick to come....not easy.
I can justify just about anything here, even fold, depending on the action and how it gets to you.
djgolfcan
I would have called pre-flop with that hand, the rest of you are nits. Since its an Omaha cash game, the nuts on the flop are rarely the nuts by the river. Having said that, you have a chance to triple up your stack, if you lose, you can always post in the BBV section.
compuease
T8urmoney;275002 wrote
I can justify just about anything here, even fold, depending on the action and how it gets to you.
Our PLO expert here condones folding on the flop with the nuts....? I don't understand, if you would fold an almost perfect flop, why even call pre? There must be something I'm missing.
SuitedPair
compuease;275046 wrote There must be something I'm missing.
I think what we are missing is the action in front of us here as T8 said. a couple of pot dumps and the nutz don't look so pretty any more.
but if that happens I say there are too many flush cards being held out there leaving the straight redraws to fade so I pot on top of the bets and take the action as it comes. not sure if this line makes any sense and could be a leak if T8 doesn't follow it. what say you sir?
compuease
SuitedPair;275068 wroteI think what we are missing is the action in front of us here as T8 said. a couple of pot dumps and the nutz don't look so pretty any more.
I am not folding the nuts at any point in a hand.. Unless perhaps it was some weird satellite situation where I knew I could coast into a seat. Certainly not when I could double or triple up and win a tournament...
getem76
Just to be clear on this flop if Im reading the seat set up correctly, there will be a bet and call for sure on this flop if not MORE based on stacks, lets just say "shark" bets 4 bucks making it 11.50, a call from one player is 15.50 thats the pot you bet, putting in 25%, now anyone with the nuts and redraw you lose and he stacks off so be it thats poker....most other draws will probably be folding it up here, remember how big the pot so quickly and this flop NO way will the average player fold AA here and be damn near stone dead!! so theres a bet, probably KK even stacking off in these kinds of situtations, flush comes and someone is gambling, so be it.
If there is some way no bet to you, check is good but that wouldnt happen unless they were ALL nits
Milo
Would not have seen the flop with that hand. If that makes me a nit, so be it.
As played, I agree with comp, you have to make those flush draws PAY !!!
Probably going to see a c-bet from ZZZ, especially if he has the flush draw, I would pot the flop and pray the flush draws miss the turn, whereupon I would keep the pressure on again.
But that is why
hiphopopotamus
compuease;275071 wroteI am not folding the nuts at any point in a hand.. Unless perhaps it was some weird satellite situation where I knew I could coast into a seat. Certainly not when I could double or triple up and win a tournament...
I think the situation he's talking about is if there's insane-o action before it gets to you and there's a really good chance one or two other players also have the nuts (so you're hoping for brick, brick to chop the pot). Plus there's the chance you're getting freerolled. Situations where it's mathematically correct to fold the nuts do come up in omaha.
compuease
hiphopopotamus;275135 wroteSituations where it's mathematically correct to fold the nuts do come up in omaha.
I don't think I agree with that, especially in a cash game. You just can't be sure enough... Maybe if op showed me 6,7h but other than that no way. I can't believe the ol nit in me is arguing for no fold. :)
getem76
more often than not, people will bet to see where they are at c-bet, then the raise is top set looking for the draw, or just 2 diamonds....then you isolate THEM not anyone else, something with the similar hand to "ours" is the fold then not us, someone else with 76 and no diamond gives it up to the stack shove....while you have mathematically isolated the draw!....i will take that race, EVERYtime, your favourite enough, now a set and the flush draw, your SOL but thats not going to be all too often he flips that up
betrthanphil
I think fold is correct pre. Prob flatting a bet on flop, or betting if checked to me. Going to pot a bricked turn.
getem76
I do have to agree, this is probably a pre-fold as well, but you cant do much when your looking to gamble and get see a flop with any 4 cards....also a hard enough hand to put someone on...perhaps thats the high level of thinking were not looking at!