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Wetts1012

windbreaker;266491 wroteI think there's a lot of confusion here because the original post was unclear. I think most people are not suggesting you open shove J10s this deep, but rather to limp-shove after you got iso-raised.

Absolutely. I would never open shove this hand here.

I would 3bet T8 as villain specific shove.

I would limp shove if I got isod (but I doubt Id ever be in that spot)

Richard~

Wetts1012;266493 wroteAbsolutely. I would never open shove this hand here.

I would 3bet T8 as villain specific shove.

I would limp shove if I got isod (but I doubt Id ever be in that spot)

Would you really limp shove T8's 1600 chips even though he's aware of your stack before isolating? I'm not implying it's wrong, but it sounds really loose

Wetts1012

Richard~;266495 wroteWould you really limp shove T8's 1600 chips even though he's aware of your stack before isolating? I'm not implying it's wrong, but it sounds really loose

Its a weird post because Im putting myself in the shoes as a random HBL. If I was a thinking player who had a brain cramp and limped, you could probably recover on your mistake by shoving and it would be profitable because youre getting way more respect than you should.

So as myself - no, 1) because Im probably never limping here and 2) because if I was limping it would probably be to crush somebody who isod me.

My real response in this thread was to point out that this is a great hand and stacksize to 3bet shove a loose opener.

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Richard~;266458 wroteStill don't think you should be shoving 17,5 BB's UTG

k i'd like to know about this because as far as i know its an snap shove with antes.....like giant snap shove....:confused:

Wetts1012

darbday;266527 wrotek i'd like to know about this because as far as i know its an snap shove with antes.....like giant snap shove....:confused:

In live poker, take everything you know and divide it by 2.

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Wetts1012;266532 wroteIn live poker, take everything you know and divide it by 2.

ok ok, before i contemplate that, is rich's response to my shove because of live pokerz?

Wetts1012

idk. I dont like a UTG shove here. Maybe from the CO/HJ it gets closer.

Richard~

no, I wouldn't shove this many BB's online or live UTG

Edit: Holdem resources says 7.5%, 99+ ATs+ A5s AQo+ KTs+ QTs+
but even so I don't shove many of those hands since I prefer to play exploitably by reshipping wide instead

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Richard~;266562 wroteno, I wouldn't shove this many BB's online or live UTG

Edit: Holdem resources says 7.5%, 99+ ATs+ A5s AQo+ KTs+ QTs+
but even so I don't shove many of those hands since I prefer to play exploitably by reshipping wide instead

how did you come up with that....and what do you mean by reshipping wide? but we're talking about with antes though.....

HoldemResources.net: ICM Nash Calculator

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Wetts1012;266535 wroteidk. I dont like a UTG shove here. Maybe from the CO/HJ it gets closer.

<<< con-fused :-[

Richard~

darbday;266574 wrotehow did you come up with that....and what do you mean by reshipping wide? but we're talking about with antes though.....

HoldemResources.net: ICM Nash Calculator

I just put in for 17,5 BB stacks with a 10% ante rather than a 12,5% ante. Even so, you can only push J10s here if you also push AA, if the rest of your table can take out parts of your range, the calling ranges will be different and you won't be able to shove as wide.

By reshipping light I mean shoving my BB against a CO open with 97o or something. I just feel I can exploit the table better in an enviroment that is more controlled than shoving into 8 random hands

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Richard~;266577 wroteI just put in for 17,5 BB stacks with a 10% ante rather than a 12,5% ante. Even so, you can only push J10s here if you also push AA, if the rest of your table can take out parts of your range, the calling ranges will be different and you won't be able to shove as wide.

By reshipping light I mean shoving my BB against a CO open with 97o or something. I just feel I can exploit the table better in an enviroment that is more controlled than shoving into 8 random hands

nash needs to be adjusted here by at least a bb to compensate for the upcoming blinds....im shoving aces here too (on a table that ive been shoving lots esp) but i understand if you don't. but reshipping from the bb doesn't change our strategy here....

Richard~

It does change our strategy here a little bit if we're planning on shoving UTG light and later reshoving light. A quote that stuck with me is "you shouldn't take every single profitable steal spot because if you do, your steal spots won't be as profitable"

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