what do you guys think?

jdAA88

Vekked;234280 wroteNo, this isn't the range I expect him to call, I expect him to call our flop bet with a lot of that stuff, like any pair and good A-high. His range is obviously really wide, and c-betting here with any 2 cards on this flop will show a profit, it's just that we should play our hand like it's napkins when it's not.

you mean we should NOT right?
Thanks for explaining this in more detail, it's easy to find yourself playing like a robot after a while, and this is def a refresher on cbetting lol.

Vekked

jdAA88;234284 wroteyou mean we should NOT right?
Thanks for explaining this in more detail, it's easy to find yourself playing like a robot after a while, and this is def a refresher on cbetting lol.

Yep sorry, should NOT play your hand like napkins when it's not. No doubt, it's really easy in tournaments and probably isn't a huge leak for the most part, especially at lower stakes. But when you start playing cash or higher stakes tournaments where people know how to exploit you for c-betting too much, watch out.

Richard~

Vekked;234289 wrotetournaments where people know how to exploit you for c-betting too much, watch out.

This. I've really learned to adjust my preflop ranges vs regs on betsson to include the fact that villain will be firing one or two barrels of air when I hit (even marginally) as well as some sexy "raise any cbet" lines that add a lot of value to an otherwise marginal call pre vs regulars who think cbetting is fun every time or too frequently

(Also against some of the better regs as longs as you know they cbet ace high, king high and dry flops you can exploit that too pretty nicely as long as you don't draw their attention)

reibs

Vekked;234283 wroteThis is exactly the reason why we're not always c-betting the flop when we have something with showdown value. This is an amaaazing flop to bet if we had 97 suited.

I'm not saying NEVER bet this flop with this type of hand, but I think that checking behind is completely fine, and maybe optimal in this spot. If we have a read that the villain leads turn a ton vs. a missed c-bet, sure we can bet and take away his bluffing equity. But I think it's important to get reads before we adjust to a tendency that might not actually exist, and this is the perfect spot to get a read.

See this is what I was thinking. This is one of the best hands for C betting. But I knew on the flop I was best, by the turn it was just re-inforced. However, I knew the only way he could beat me was to hit his flush or hit a 6 outter. I have been watchin some vids with guys checking down (or check calling down) ace high in position cus they have showdown value, and that is kinda what I was thinking. But once the flush draw hit, and I knew I had the best, I wanted to get a bit of information about his hand. Maybe I should have just stayed the course and checked back? This would have kept the pot small enough that I could hero call a 12k river bet and be fine?!!!

The river made me tank. Can he really runner runner me? lol .... I needed to call 30K to win a pot of nearly 100k (i think if my math works this early).

The real question I wanted to know is (and maybe this is more a question for higher buyins), How often is ace high good here? Good players should recognize my line as weak, and the river as a bluff card. Good players should be firing here. But so should a flush. Can we be good 3/10 times here? in a $3 game? In a $100 game is it different?

And someone mentioned that we dont normally make FTs by calling 1/4th of our stack off with ace high. Well I see it more as, if its a profitable call and we are correct 3/10 times, then I call everytime... no? It shouldnt matter how much of your stack it is. Not to mention that Im def not deep right now. I will soon need some chips to continue this tournament... leaving 70k out there is a no-no...esp with the best hand!

Result of the hand, I tanked for a bit, then in the heat of the moment, I thought that there was a chance this guy was getting sick of me pushin ppl around with these small bets preflop and he took a stand (Remember I noted earlier this guy has been getting restless lately in this game which skews his stats a bit)...I figured that I could have him beat about enough times to make it profitable. (this may be wrong - which is why I posted this). So I called. Like I figured he had 82s and his flush hit...

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