PLO Satty....wtf to do here

T8urmoney

Don't have the HH, but here's the situation:

$69 PLO satty ($216 ticket).....9 seats, 10th $75, 11th $24.....playing 11-handed (of course I'm on the 5-handed table)

blinds 500-1000......I'm sitting 9th in chips ATM:

BB: HERO (2400)
UTG: ........(3500)
UTG+1: .....(4000)
Button: .....(1900)
SB: ...........(18,000)

Action:

UTG: folds
UTG+1: folds
Button: All-in
SB: Call
HERO: (Ad Ac 7d 8s)???????????

DrTyore

Snap call

You have the best hand, and the AA helps too

Mark

Milo

If it's Omaha high only, push and pray . . .

You are probably dominating the Button. SB calls for cheap and maybe to get to the $$$. If he loses it does not affect him too badly, so I think you're ahead atm. But, I admittedly suck, so judge accordingly . . .

ReefAquarium

T8urmoney;217265 wroteDon't have the HH, but here's the situation:

$69 PLO satty ($216 ticket).....9 seats, 10th $75, 11th $24.....playing 11-handed (of course I'm on the 5-handed table)

blinds 500-1000......I'm sitting 9th in chips ATM:

BB: HERO (2400)
UTG: ........(3500)
UTG+1: .....(4000)
Button: .....(1900)
SB: ...........(18,000)

Action:

UTG: folds
UTG+1: folds
Button: All-in
SB: Call
HERO: (Ad Ac 7d 8s)???????????

Break out the ICM calculator!

If you win , your equity goes up about five bucks (10th of fifty bucks.)

Without the payout structure, we can't figure out how much your equity goes down if you lose....

actyper

If you don't call you're in 10th, and prob 11th after the next hand. Pretty sure you have to call in this spot

T8urmoney

ReefAquarium;217273 wroteBreak out the ICM calculator!

If you win , your equity goes up about five bucks (10th of fifty bucks.)

Without the payout structure, we can't figure out how much your equity goes down if you lose....

T8urmoney;217265 wroteDon't have the HH, but here's the situation:

$69 PLO satty ($216 ticket).....9 seats, 10th $75, 11th $24.....playing 11-handed (of course I'm on the 5-handed table)

Payout is noted above

T8urmoney

Milo;217271 wroteIf it's Omaha high only, push and pray . . .

You are probably dominating the Button. SB calls for cheap and maybe to get to the $$$. If he loses it does not affect him too badly, so I think you're ahead atm. But, I admittedly suck, so judge accordingly . . .

Yes, it's PLO, not PLO8

OBV we have AA's here, but against some hands in PLO, you're not much better than a coin flip.

If big stack folds.......it's a snap call. When he calls (which I expect him to 100% with any 4 cards in that spot) it now becomes open for debate whether to call, ship or fold.

actyper

I missed that sb call. How many chips does 10th/11th have and when do blinds hit them?

DrTyore

I can't believe the amount of discussion on this one...

You have to put your money in here. You're the second shortest stack at the table, the shortest one is in already. Here's the reasons for calling

A: It doubles the chances of eliminating the shortest stack
B: You have an extremely well coordinated hand that provides three likely ways to win (set, straight, flush possibilities)
C: You're getting nearly 3:1 on your money if you get it all in.

here's the reasons to fold

A: Maybe if I fold I can possibly survive until one of the other big stacks is kind enough to take out the medium sized stacks and I can squeak by that last position - unless the small stack manages to double up on THIS round, then I have to squeak by two positions.

Folding guarantees you become the smallest stack on the table, either you're 10/10, or 11/11 if the micro stack doubles. Oh, and let's not forget folding means you're stuck for another 20% of your stack when it's your SB next.

CALL - there is no debate or question here. edit: Sorry, put yourself all in.

Mark

T8urmoney

actyper;217288 wroteI missed that sb call. How many chips does 10th/11th have and when do blinds hit them?

11th was the guy pushing on the button....I ended up calling....which means, even though I was in 9th, the blinds would blind me out before the guy in 10th if we folded out (I don't have his exact chip count, but that would've been my deciding factor).

Monteroy

I'ts what the Doc said.

You probably only have 35-40% equity here so if you were one of the larger stacks and it was folded to you on the button and you raised with this hand and 2 even larger stacks went re-raise/shove in the blinds you could certainly let it go.

Not sure what your plan is here if you fold other than a lot of divine intervention to get one of the tickets, so shrug your shoulders and put in the chips.

T8urmoney

DrTyore;217291 wroteI can't believe the amount of discussion on this one...

You have to put your money in here. You're the second shortest stack at the table, the shortest one is in already. Here's the reasons for calling

A: It doubles the chances of eliminating the shortest stack
B: You have an extremely well coordinated hand that provides three likely ways to win (set, straight, flush possibilities)
C: You're getting nearly 3:1 on your money if you get it all in.

here's the reasons to fold

A: Maybe if I fold I can possibly survive until one of the other big stacks is kind enough to take out the medium sized stacks and I can squeak by that last position - unless the small stack manages to double up on THIS round, then I have to squeak by two positions.

Folding guarantees you become the smallest stack on the table, either you're 10/10, or 11/11 if the micro stack doubles. Oh, and let's not forget folding means you're stuck for another 20% of your stack when it's your SB next.

CALL - there is no debate or question here. edit: Sorry, put yourself all in.

Mark

PLO Satty's are like interspecies relationships....you gotta do things you really never thought of doing.

Here's the way I look at it:

To get my ticket, I will

A: have to get extremely lucky (ie. braindead midstack losing his mind and playing a pot against big stack)...this does happen, but rare

B: have to win a minimum 1 more pot (and 1 pot would probably get me there)

Now, if I try to win this particular pot, I have to win a 3-way AIPF.....I don't like those odds.

If I fold to my BB, I give someone else a chance to make an error, or, worst case, I go in against likely a 2 or 3 way pot. Although my odds aren't as good to win a 3-way with any 4 cards as they are with these particular 4 cards.

It's 2 days later, and I'm still second guessing myself on this one.

DrTyore

T8urmoney;217300 wrote
It's 2 days later, and I'm still second guessing myself on this one.

Stop it.. putting yourself all in was 100% the right move.

I don't care that it was a satellite. You have the SB coming up next, you will potentially be in a blind again in 3 hands. If you think your stack size push of 2x the BB is going to buy you a pot you're wrong. FURTHER, the hand you have gives you a SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER CHANCE OF WINNING MORE MONEY NOW

I don't care what fucking model people pull out, folding is stupid here.

Mark

T8urmoney

DrTyore;217302 wroteStop it.. putting yourself all in was 100% the right move.

I don't care that it was a satellite. You have the SB coming up next, you will potentially be in a blind again in 3 hands. If you think your stack size push of 2x the BB is going to buy you a pot you're wrong. FURTHER, the hand you have gives you a SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER CHANCE OF WINNING MORE MONEY NOW

I don't care what fucking model people pull out, folding is stupid here.

Mark

lol......OK, OK.....Mark says call or you're an idiot

fyi......I tend to agree...but I just want other opinions.....ie, what does the math say?

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AA= the nuts PF.. if it was o8 i could understand MAYBE BEING SKEPTICAL, but being omaha hi, thats shove material....

This thread sucks.

/thread.

Milo

FML, not only do I agree with Mark in a start post, but I ALSO agree with Donk.

I just threw up in my mouth, and more than a little . . .

compuease

You gotta push... Worst case you are like 57-43 against 1 player, and that's is he's double suited (not your suit) and 4 card connectors. Against big stack likely a lot better... And am I right the way I read this, you're in the BB with 1000 of your 2400 in the pot? And 2 away from the seat? Maybe if you're only 1 away you can fold and hope SB takes the pusher out but not here...
Push and pray...

Monteroy

AAxx is not the nuts in a 3 handed pot. If you happen to be against another AAxx and a rundown hand often times the equity is 40 30 30 give or take in favor of the rundown hand.

That is why I said if the stacks were deep (ie: he was a big stack and the other two who went all in were big stacks) that this would be a very viable folds.

I totally understand the point being made that if only one pot needs to be won then a HU one is better than this 3 way even if against semi random hands, but the reality is that if you fold and then win an all in that will not be a guarantee that you will get the ticket easily.

Win this 3 way and your odds go up a ton.

This seems a lot more a stack dynamic issue that forces an uncomfortable play. Not much more. The AA is the nuts point as a reason for playing it as if it was AA in no limit is kind of amusing.

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Monteroy;217342 wroteAAxx is not the nuts in a 3 handed pot. If you happen to be against another AAxx and a rundown hand often times the equity is 40 30 30 give or take in favor of the rundown hand.

That is why I said if the stacks were deep (ie: he was a big stack and the other two who went all in were big stacks) that this would be a very viable folds.

I totally understand the point being made that if only one pot needs to be won then a HU one is better than this 3 way even if against semi random hands, but the reality is that if you fold and then win an all in that will not be a guarantee that you will get the ticket easily.

Win this 3 way and your odds go up a ton.

This seems a lot more a stack dynamic issue that forces an uncomfortable play. Not much more. The AA is the nuts point as a reason for playing it as if it was AA in no limit is kind of amusing.

The thought of laying it down is kind of amusing.

No need to be weak with AA.... unreal.

poker is a game of gambling. roll the fucking dice.

T8urmoney

epic_donk;217349 wroteThe thought of laying it down is kind of amusing.

No need to be weak with AA.... unreal.

poker is a game of gambling. roll the fucking dice.

Until you get this right, you'll never show a profit long term.