Do I fold AA here??

LanterneRouge

zunni74;181815 wroteContemplating laying down pre-flop monsters because you fear a suck-out is horrible play..

Agreed. Laying down a monster pre-flop simply out of fear of getting 'cracked' would be a huge leak and very stupid.

A rare pre-flop lay down of a monster because it is the mathematically correct play is good, solid poker. The mathematics of poker don't just involve hand A is XX% vs hand B.

zunni74;181815 wroteAA's are one of those things you can't screw up pre-flop.

Cash game - okay. Often not true in satellites when nearing the bubble. Sometimes (albeit rare) not true in sit-n-goes, at final tables or when nearing the bubble in a regular MTT.

Are you telling me you are calling yourself all-in pre-flop with AA for 100,000 chips in a satellite where 1st to 30th get the same prize, 33 players are left and 31st to 33rd currently have less than 5,000 chips?

Never say never.

zunni74;181815 wroteI'm not even a fan of that SNG bubble situation, I call there and hopefully triple up. Is one player going to get eliminated?? Yes, but would you rather someone gets eliminated and you have a reasonable stack or still have your crappy short stack and likely worse cards to go with it?

IF the AA holds up, you would actually quadruple up and still NOT have a reasonable stack. 4100 chips. (Likely) 3 handed. In the SB for 500 next hand. 1500 in the pot before anything happens. Even after quading up, you would still have to immediately go all-in again with virtually anything. Lose and you probably finish 3rd ... gaining nothing over folding the previous hand and not risking losing that 3rd (or possibly 2nd) place cash.

If I'm not mistaken, there's a good 2+2 podcast with Dan Harrington that covers this subject. If I get a chance tonight, I'll try to find it.

zunni74

LanterneRouge;181829 wrote Are you telling me you are calling yourself all-in pre-flop with AA for 100,000 chips in a satellite where 1st to 30th get the same prize, 33 players are left and 31st to 33rd currently have less than 5,000 chips?

Never say never.

I guess I don't think about these situations because I don't play in these types of events. But fair enough, I can see your point. When you are assured to be 'in the money' in a sat event where your finish 1st to 30th doesn't matter, you could fold AA's in that situation.

IF the AA holds up, you would actually quadruple up and still NOT have a reasonable stack. 4100 chips. (Likely) 3 handed. In the SB for 500 next hand. 1500 in the pot before anything happens. Even after quading up, you would still have to immediately go all-in again with virtually anything. Lose and you probably finish 3rd ... gaining nothing over folding the previous hand and not risking losing that 3rd (or possibly 2nd) place cash.

I think I was missing how big the big stack is in that equation, I'm used to the 1500 starting stack single tables and 4k of that is enough to possible cause some damage. However, with 5k starting stacks, that makes sense, though I would probably make the wrong play in this sitaution :)

If I'm not mistaken, there's a good 2+2 podcast with Dan Harrington that covers this subject. If I get a chance tonight, I'll try to find it.

I'll check my archives, and see if I can hunt it down.

pkrfce9

LanterneRouge;181829 wroteCash game - okay. Often not true in satellites when nearing the bubble. Sometimes (albeit rare) not true in sit-n-goes, at final tables or when nearing the bubble in a regular MTT.

kudos on the good response. bonus points would have been awarded for calculating the $ev of calling vs folding

LanterneRouge

zunni74;181849 wroteI'll check my archives, and see if I can hunt it down.

I just re-listened to the Harrington episode. Nope. ??? Let me think about it and go through the archives. I should be able to figure out which guest talked about this.

westside8

Can someone please explain how folding AA preflop gets 3 pages of "discussion"?

Graham

westside8;181939 wroteCan someone please explain how folding AA preflop gets 3 pages of "discussion"?

I take it by you asking this question that you are just as confused as the rest of us ;)

See here: A Perfect Example of When You Must Fold AA Preflop

g2

westside8;181939 wroteCan someone please explain how folding AA preflop gets 3 pages of "discussion"?

Because most of the posts are "why are we discussing this?"

/g2

AcidJoe

The double or nothing SNG's on the bubble are the same where it can actually make sense to fold. If there's 6 left you got 3K and villian has 3K and has gone all in FOLD. Now If I had 6K and he had 3 I'd call in a heartbeat.

Again you have to realize your position in the tourney and what the remaining stacks are.

Quinner

Just to clarify, the only reason I contemplated folding this was because of the way people were dropping off at this point in the tournament. I honestly thought I had about a 70% chance of folding to victory on this one. I checked back about half an hour later and they were about 30 spots from moving on!

Also more just wanted to whine about my aces cracked,which everyone here could tell me one of those stories so maybe it was inappropriate to post this here.

Anyway, I have never in my life folded AA (pf), but this was the first time I ever CONTEMPLATED folding, and it actually might have been the best decision in this case. If I was about 20-25 from the bubble with an above average stack I was folding for sure rather than risk getting sucked out on, which I actually think would be a good idea. No reason to risk my stack when I'm all but guaranteed to move on.

Quinner

Richard~;181762 wroteIf step 2 was a new tournament where everyone started with equal stacks and I believed I could turn off my computer and make it anyway I'd fold, otherwise there's really no way ._.

This was the exact situation, I just wasn't sure if I could have made it or not. Looking later, most likely I would have made it.

BBC Z

This thread sucks.

zunni74

BBC Z;182126 wroteThis thread sucks.

That's a lie and you are jealous you didn't come up with it first.

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