Double or Nothing?

DennisG

Hence the reason I said "even if"..

While it isn't mathematically or maybe financially sound, 25 bucks an hour isn't worth sitting through 4 of those things for me...I don't really enjoy them that much. If I want to do something I don't enjoy that much, I will go to work..lol..

TiMSuM

Had some time so took a stab at these. $5.20 (10-man) turbos on PS. Cashed 9/12 so far. Will post more results once I get a better sample. These are interesting though, the play is so tight for the first three rounds it's ridiculous.

TiMSuM

16/22 so far.

First time I tried 8 tabling yesterday. I have no idea how some people can 20-30 table at once, even if the tables are all nicely tiled so nothing overlaps. There's soooo much beeping reminding you of your turn. Even with the auto-check boxes it was difficult to keep up at times!

Young Grimm

Tried one of these on Stars ($5+) last night for the first time, cashed but I found the whole thing quite boring. Maybe I'm missing a great opportunity to make money, but I think that's the last one I'll ever play.

herschelw

kostitsyn1489;170655 wroteYeah it keeps happeing... With 6 guys left, i was on the button 2nd in stack with like 5000, the guy on the small blind was all in due to the small blind and the guy on the BB who looked really stupid was high stack. Nobody calls and i have J10 suited so i call thats a good hand vs a guy in the dark like the guy in the small blind, but the guy in the BB makes raise to 1000 which is 4 times the BB so i fold, i guess he's got something good to raise like that and i have no raison to risk anything at this point. He ends up having K-6 the guy on the SB has A8 both pairs, i make the straight, but i folded so the guy survive. What the hell was he thinking about raising there...

With 6 left in one of these you should NEVER EVER be calling from late position with JTs. At this point every decision should be based on your stack in relation to the other stacks.

herschelw

TiMSuM;171106 wrote16/22 so far.

First time I tried 8 tabling yesterday. I have no idea how some people can 20-30 table at once, even if the tables are all nicely tiled so nothing overlaps. There's soooo much beeping reminding you of your turn. Even with the auto-check boxes it was difficult to keep up at times!

They don't tile they cascade if using one screen. I play 18-20 tables at a time on 3 large monitors. It's pretty doable if you work up to it.

herschelw

Wolffhound;170787 wroteYou are playing one at a time? If you are playing 4 tables, at 45 minutes, you are making 25/hr based on your winning 8/10. I went to Brock...so, the math is weak and quick. But, if you are winning 8/10, I'd still be playing them if I was you.

If you're greatly outplaying everyone(20% roi) you'll make roughly $8 an hour. That 8/10 win rate is unsustainable.

herschelw

mynick71;170678 wroteI like playing the turbo double ups. As for strategy I only play premium hands in the early going always with a raise and limp with small or medium pairs trying to hit my set. Try not to waste to many of your chips by playing too many pots. With about 6 or 7 players left hopefully you have accumulated a few chips by now and continue to play good hands, if not look for a spot to push all in, unless your opponent has a very strong hand they can't call and you pick up the blinds and antes. I only do this in very late position and no one has limped into the pot.

One thing that really bugs me is that the big stacks are always giving there chips away to the small stacks. And not calling when they have the pot odds to do so.

Pot odds arent important when survival is the only thing rewarded. If you're among the biggest stack in a double or nothing you shouldnt be playing a hand. Let's say we're 6 handed(5 get double thier money) I have 7k chips, a 2500 chip stack shoves on my BB from the button and there's a 1200 chip stack and an 800 chip stack at the table with blinds at 200/400. I MUST fold pocket aces here. This is basic satellite strategy and it can be easily mathematically proven that it's the best play with an ICM calculator. I will cash a higher % of the time when I fold than when I call.

ReefAquarium

herschelw;171632 wrotePot odds arent important when survival is the only thing rewarded. If you're among the biggest stack in a double or nothing you shouldnt be playing a hand. Let's say we're 6 handed(5 get double thier money) I have 7k chips, a 2500 chip stack shoves on my BB from the button and there's a 1200 chip stack and an 800 chip stack at the table with blinds at 200/400. I MUST fold pocket aces here. This is basic satellite strategy and it can be easily mathematically proven that it's the best play with an ICM calculator. I will cash a higher % of the time when I fold than when I call.

To crank some numbers. assume the other 2 guys have 1000,

Your ICM equity is

Player Name
Chips
ICM Equity

0.1997
1st: 0.5362nd: 0.2823rd: 0.1254th: 0.0455th: 0.012
0.1918
1st: 0.1792nd: 0.2613rd: 0.2404th: 0.1765th: 0.104
0.1651
1st: 0.0862nd: 0.1363rd: 0.1844th: 0.2105th: 0.210
0.1363
1st: 0.0572nd: 0.0933rd: 0.1334th: 0.1755th: 0.225
0.1535
1st: 0.0712nd: 0.1143rd: 0.1604th: 0.1975th: 0.225
0.1535

Lets say you lose with AA.

Player Name
Chips
ICM Equity

0.1986
1st: 0.3572nd: 0.3083rd: 0.1964th: 0.0975th: 0.035
0.1986
1st: 0.3572nd: 0.3083rd: 0.1964th: 0.0975th: 0.035
0.1639
1st: 0.0862nd: 0.1143rd: 0.1784th: 0.2195th: 0.223
0.1347
1st: 0.0572nd: 0.0783rd: 0.1254th: 0.1795th: 0.235
0.1521
1st: 0.0712nd: 0.0963rd: 0.1534th: 0.2045th: 0.237
0.1521

You've lost .0011 equity trying to gain .0003 equity.

So you need 3 and 2/3 odds to make this call.

AA will beat his range 3.66 to 1 so it looks profitable on a 1 on 1.

But this doesn't factor in the chance that some (idiot) will call.
If they do then you get a free ride. ...

So if you assume sensible players (never true) then you can call with AA getting a very slight advantage. If you assume real humans playing behind you, then fold.

TooTall

TiMSuM;171106 wrote16/22 so far.

First time I tried 8 tabling yesterday. I have no idea how some people can 20-30 table at once, even if the tables are all nicely tiled so nothing overlaps. There's soooo much beeping reminding you of your turn. Even with the auto-check boxes it was difficult to keep up at times!

auto-check boxes? You mean you select check/fold before you are prompted when it's your turn??

gags

Yeah Ongame has these and they are fun to play but man are they ever slow! They take forever to end... and then you only double your money after all that time..

blackmagicz

gags;275564 wroteYeah Ongame has these and they are fun to play but man are they ever slow! They take forever to end... and then you only double your money after all that time..

play 10+ at a time....use these a bankroll builder...

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