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Poker News - Tipping in Poker Tournaments -- Part I
Fairly interesting article about tipping in tournaments from Cardplayer's website.
Was wondering what others think about the issue, both in tourney's and cash games.
Do people tip every time they win a pot, only in pots of a certain size, do they tip more with dealers who are more proficient.
Personally, it's an issue I'm interested in seeing discussed because it blows my mind anymore what people expect to be tipped for, and how much they expect to be tipped.
It seems I can't even go to a hardware store anymore without seeing a tip jar on the counter(the worst is the video store). I've always thought of myself as a generous tipper, but I absolutely do not see the need to tip every bloody person I encounter in the day.
It's like I can't beat the rake on my life.
waltsfriend
Obviously tipping is a standard part of almost any play at a casino. It feels a little weird to me in the context of a tournament to pull in a pot and not toss a chip to the dealer. Personally, I would prefer that a dealer gratuity be taken out of the prize pool and made known to the players ahead of time. Everyone in the tournament benefits from the dealers being present. I would hate for them to rely on the generosity of the winning players. I have a bad feeling that many players would leave the table without tipping at all.
Milo
Consider your basic $1/2 game at your local underground club. Lets say a good dealer gets in 20 - 25 hands an hour (willing to correct this total). If everyone tips $1 per pot, thats $20/25 per hour tax-free. Not a bad night's work. Having said that, I will generally tip half my tournament buy-in, if I take one down. I do not have any immediate need to revise that yet, considering the stakes I can afford.
GTA Poker
Milo;145731 wroteConsider your basic $1/2 game at your local underground club. Lets say a good dealer gets in 20 - 25 hands an hour (willing to correct this total). If everyone tips $1 per pot, thats $20/25 per hour tax-free. Not a bad night's work. Having said that, I will generally tip half my tournament buy-in, if I take one down. I do not have any immediate need to revise that yet, considering the stakes I can afford.
Dealer's are generally only dealing 1/2 the time they are there in decent underground clubs, so chop your total in 1/2.
Milo
Okay, that changes things a bit, then. From the article, and the real world, I dislike the attitude that a tip is "expected" rather than earned. One assumes Dealers know their terms of employment before hiring on. Budgeting for what "may" come, $$-wise, is a foolish thing to do. I tip, sometimes extravagantly, when the service provided warrants it. But I will not return to a restaurant (for example) that automatically adds the tip to my bill, as a "convenience". Convenient for whom?
schabs
I play $1/2 NL lots, ppl tip anywhere from .50 to $10, depending on pot size and generosity. Tournaments I tip anywhere 30% to 50% of my buy-in.
pokrgod
dinobot;145729 wrote
It's like I can't beat the rake on my life.
I love that! LOL awesome Dino, exactly how I feel.
STR82ACE
Dealers, like waitresses, do not get paid a hell of alot, and many rely on tips to get by. I have no issue flipping a buck or two to the dealer after winning a pot. I've done abit of dealing as well, and its nice to know your time and efforts in keeping the game moving are appreciated by the players.
DrTyore
Basically.. tip decently.. make it worthwhile..
I used to deal for a local game... sometimes the cash game, sometimes the tournament.... the WORST that ever happened was when i ddealt a REALLY irritating final table - one dude was so drunk the TD had to sit next to him and help him make his bets and such... anyways.. he didn't win, but the dude that DID win was a bit shell-shocked *understandably* and won just under 2k ($65 buyin).. he asked me - the dealer - and another TD what was cutomary to tip.. the TD told him $100 was the norm.. this guy turned back to me, and gave me.. $20..
Yea...
Mark
STR82ACE
DrTyore;145849 wroteBasically.. tip decently.. make it worthwhile..
won just under 2k ($65 buyin).. he asked me - the dealer - and another TD what was cutomary to tip.. the TD told him $100 was the norm.. this guy turned back to me, and gave me.. $20..
Yea...
Mark
There's a term for that too...
BITCH SLAP!!
That was just wrong! Least he could have done was give you the cost of his buyin. $20 is just a slap in the face IMHO
DrTyore
Yea.. I was less than pleased..
Basically, I think the best option is to consider the amount of time the dealer worked, and tip a decent hourly wage... if he dealt for say 5 hours.. $100 is pretty good, but no less than $75 IMO*
Mark
* - that of course depends on the win amount.. you win <$500.. around $30, <$1k, around $50, 1500+ at least a hundo
QueenNine
I was at that FT Mark and I saw the guy tip you that $20, then he offered to go downstairs and give everyone $100 each.
:)
Now, my question is...
You only dealt the FT, the rest of the tourny was self dealt, why is it expected to tip you (or any dealer) anywhere near $75? I finished 3rd and tipped you $40.
Kristy
I'm bummed I missed this one...so I'm reviving it, and forcing you all to scroll past my belated ramblings to get to the current topics. Muahahahaha
People who don't tip should get fisted and then stabbed in the eye.
and I mean that 'don't tip' I don't care if you're winning or losing, happy or unhappy with the service- stop being douches (world at large) and ship to your support staff.
The size of the tip can reflect the level of service. But the presence of one (in a lot of direct service jobs) is an absolute given.
Although the one thing I loathe is the jar, it is completely trashy.
cadillac
Ok I'll bite.
I like to tip. I like to be generous when I tip. I took 2 $50 bills with me when I went to Vegas last summer for the expressed interest of giving them to someone. I looked for someone doing a pretty menial job with a great big smile on their face. The first went the guy working the car park at Bally's. The second went to a girl serving drinks by the pool at the Wynn, she treated my wife life a queen while she sweat like a dog in 115 degree heat.
The above is to make the point that I am all for tipping and I am not a cheap bastard.
Not everyone deserves a tip. It is far too often that I go out to eat somewhere and the server can't even muster up a smile for me. Their body language sucks, their attitude sucks, they take no pride in what they are doing and they aren't getting a god damn tip from me. Treat me like I am a pain in your ass? Why the **** would I tip someone for that?
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cadillac;147330 wroteOk I'll bite.
I like to tip. I like to be generous when I tip. I took 2 $50 bills with me when I went to Vegas last summer for the expressed interest of giving them to someone. I looked for someone doing a pretty menial job with a great big smile on their face. The first went the guy working the car park at Bally's. The second went to a girl serving drinks by the pool at the Wynn, she treated my wife life a queen while she sweat like a dog in 115 degree heat.
The above is to make the point that I am all for tipping and I am not a cheap bastard.
Not everyone deserves a tip. It is far too often that I go out to eat somewhere and the server can't even muster up a smile for me. Their body language sucks, their attitude sucks, they take no pride in what they are doing and they aren't getting a god damn tip from me. Treat me like I am a pain in your ass? Why the **** would I tip someone for that?
This is more of what I was talking about. I also think I am a generous tipper, and frequently tip upward of 25 to 30% for great service. However, like Caddilac pointed out, the expectation is just so annoying. The guy at the Video Store deserves a tip?
ItsaMe
cadillac;147330 wroteNot everyone deserves a tip. It is far too often that I go out to eat somewhere and the server can't even muster up a smile for me. Their body language sucks, their attitude sucks, they take no pride in what they are doing and they aren't getting a god damn tip from me. Treat me like I am a pain in your ass? Why the **** would I tip someone for that?
A:
Because it is an expected part of their income, and they are making less than min. wage because of it. I'm pretty sure that if you're a server at East Side Mario's you've got a lot to be unhappy about. When you come acrossed that unfortunate soul you only tip 10% instead of 25% or 30%.
Kristy
Note to self: Log Itsame out THEN post.
The above is entirely mine...sorry Mario
DrTyore
I was sitting here scratching my head at the fact that Mario is suddenly so interested in these types of conversations....
and so well spoken / grammatically correct....
And aware of publicly posted notices and information
Mark
cadillac
The wage someone chooses to work for is not of my concern. What is of my concern is the quality of the service.
Whenever my travels take me across the border to the U.S. it never ceases to amaze me. I get quality service every time I go out in the US. The servers work hard to please me (and I am easy to please), they smile, are energetic and I am happy to tip and tip them well.
Surely these people do not have the same quality of health care as our Canadian Service Industry professionals do and I am also sure that the pay scale is comparable. Yet they can be bothered to make the effort. FWIW I am not alone, Canada is recognized on a global scale for poor, surly service.
I will tip a quality server when I get a terrible meal. I will tip a server who smiles her way through tons of mistakes. But tipping poor service and a server with poor attitude is BS, even if you believe it to be part of their wage. It perpetuates the cycle of poor service when these people continue to get paid for a job that they are not doing.
I feel this way for a reason. For most of my adult life my money has been made in sales. I need to put my game face on for every customer, every time or I don't put my deals together. Working in a car dealership, my situation it is often more uphill. Lots of people want to be ignorant to the car guy, they want to call me a liar and a cheat before we have spent 5 minutes together.
If I can weather that type of abuse and still be respectful and keep smiling and work toward making deal with this person, certainly a server can be pleasant and interested with a smile on their face while they take my drink order.
And if they can't it is my prerogative to keep my hard earned money in my pocket.
JohnnieH
I worked at a fast food place for years, so I'm easy to place, and VERY forgiving.
Minor issues are place on a Comment Card, if available.
If I receive REALLY poor service/food/experience I will tip the norm, alert the manager/owner of my concerns and never return to that establishment.
Johnnie.
ps...Don't mess with Lady Karma. Always tip the dealer if you win a pot.