SnG - Card dead

InsaneGuy

So... I just got blinded off a 9 person turbo sng...
Now... I kinda HAD to go all-in at that point (I think...) and I'd like to know where I shoulda acted to *try* and make a stand or which hand I shoulda played since this isn't the first time it happens.... (it kinda happens all the time lol)

Alright...

First hand :
Qc5c (SB) - Someone raises 4bb everyone folds - I fold.
4s8d - bunch of limpers - Fold
Qs6h - some limpers - Fold
Kh2s - 4bb raise - Fold
8h7c - I think I shoulda at least limped on this in middle pos but ... - fold
7h9h - 3bb raise - fold
7d5d - 2 limpers - fold
Qh8d - 3bb raise - fold
Ad2h (BB) - only the SB calls - I check (KJ3 rainbow flop - 5 turn 2 river - he best 30 - fold)
3c4d (SB) - 3bb raise - fold
9sTd - 3bb raise - fold
5c3d - fold
4d2s - fold
Ts7h - fold
4sTh - fold
9h4s - fold
8hTs - fold
8s4d - fold
8hTs (BB) 3bb raise - fold
8s4d (SB) fold (it's a 50 call at this lvl)
TcJc 3bb raise - I Call flop T7A rainbow - Everyone checks turn 4 some guy bets 200 - I fold)
Qh6s - fold
Ks5c - fold
9c2d - fold
3s5c - fold
5d9d - fold
ThQc (BB) I die to KK

BBC Z

You need two gears. One where you play based on your cards and one where you don't.

Did you consider taking one of your nothings hands up against a similar stack in the BB?

pokrgod

InsaneGuy;145265 wrote Ad2h (BB) - only the SB calls - I check (KJ3 rainbow flop - 5 turn 2 river - he

I don't see a lot here. 1 opportunity above to at least raise the limped blind. Sounds like there wasn't much raising going on. Bad cards obviously but you needed to try some steals in late position instead of blinding away. Tough cards InsaneGuy

_obv_

Gonna need a lot more info than this... i suggest putting it into a hand replayer if you want to get helpful responses

InsaneGuy

BBC Z;145269 wroteYou need two gears. One where you play based on your cards and one where you don't.

Did you consider taking one of your nothings hands up against a similar stack in the BB?

Well I agree to a certain point... there's a raise preflop... are you going to call or even re-raise the raiser with 810o ?
I agree that at one point you have to play position but when I was the button/B-1 I got the worse card ...

4s8d
9sTd (ok not too bad but ... call a 3bb raise there?)
Jc10c (already a 3bb raise - call I hit my 10 but geez 2 callers in the hand and there's an ace on the flop do you risk it all there?)

InsaneGuy

_obv_;145275 wroteGonna need a lot more info than this... i suggest putting it into a hand replayer if you want to get helpful responses

A hand replayer?
There's alot of hand... do you have something that won't clog the site with a bunch of images and such ? Or just simple links ?

g2

InsaneGuy;145265 wroteSo... I just got blinded off a 9 person turbo sng...
Now... I kinda HAD to go all-in at that point (I think...) and I'd like to know where I shoulda acted to *try* and make a stand or which hand I shoulda played since this isn't the first time it happens.... (it kinda happens all the time lol)

How about any hand that's folded around to you. If you just play the cards in your hand what is your advantage over your opponents?

InsaneGuy;145265 wrote Alright...

First hand :
Qc5c (SB) - Someone raises 4bb everyone folds - I fold.
4s8d - bunch of limpers - Fold
Qs6h - some limpers - Fold
Kh2s - 4bb raise - Fold
8h7c - I think I shoulda at least limped on this in middle pos but ... - fold
7h9h - 3bb raise - fold
7d5d - 2 limpers - fold
Qh8d - 3bb raise - fold
Ad2h (BB) - only the SB calls - I check (KJ3 rainbow flop - 5 turn 2 river - he best 30 - fold)

What the fuck? You hit a pair on the river and fold to a minbet? I would have called with just the ace high.

InsaneGuy;145265 wrote3c4d (SB) - 3bb raise - fold
9sTd - 3bb raise - fold
5c3d - fold
4d2s - fold
Ts7h - fold
4sTh - fold
9h4s - fold
8hTs - fold
8s4d - fold
8hTs (BB) 3bb raise - fold
8s4d (SB) fold (it's a 50 call at this lvl)
TcJc 3bb raise - I Call flop T7A rainbow - Everyone checks turn 4 some guy bets 200 - I fold)

What the fuck! again? Everyone checked the flop... your 2nd pair is probably good.

InsaneGuy;145265 wrote Qh6s - fold
Ks5c - fold
9c2d - fold
3s5c - fold
5d9d - fold
ThQc (BB) I die to KK

If you play so tight you really have no business playing turbos.

/g2

_obv_

pokerxfactor has a hand replayer... i think you will need to sign up for a free account to use it... im sure there are others but i think the pokerxfactor one is the most used

InsaneGuy

InsaneGuy

g2;145282 wroteHow about any hand that's folded around to you. If you just play the cards in your hand what is your advantage over your opponents?

What the fuck? You hit a pair on the river and fold to a minbet? I would have called with just the ace high.

What the fuck! again? Everyone checked the flop... your 2nd pair is probably good.

If you play so tight you really have no business playing turbos.

/g2

Well for all these reasons that I was making this post !
Usually in single table sng you only need a couple hands to make it to the final 3-4 and then it's a different ball game... I do have some trouble early game making those profitable calls ... I know the odds tell me to call but the guts tells me I'm beaten. or something like "there's no way you'll win with a pair of deuce".

Hobbes

Without knowing how short you were for each hand, I can see atleast 4 hands that are shovable.

Depending on the site, you could probably load the hands into SitNGo Wizard and it can help you identify where you should push.

_obv_

the JT hand where you called the raise... fold that pre
the last hand is a very very standard fold preflop

i think every hand is a fold preflop with the exception of the A2 hand when you were in the BB where the SB limped... you should have raised that up preflop

You didnt blind down in this sng, you bled chips... you still had enough chips to wait for a hand or a spot to shove light

m_dolens

InsaneGuy;145265 wroteSo... I just got blinded off a 9 person turbo sng...
Now... I kinda HAD to...

i found the problem...

ReefAquarium

PokerStars Game #16244313834: Tournament #82247778 $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/03/25 - 15:54:51 (ET)
Table '82247778 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: marco2707 (1535 in chips)
Seat 2: InsaneGuy (1370 in chips)
Seat 3: goobretty (1750 in chips)
Seat 4: crainemann (1298 in chips)
Seat 5: mad_doggie53 (1923 in chips)
Seat 6: FourAcesNow (3070 in chips)
Seat 7: ELIZABETH_27 (1517 in chips)
Seat 8: grainbelt09 (1037 in chips)
goobretty: posts small blind 25
crainemann: posts big blind 50

Holecards:
Dealt to InsaneGuy [TcJc ]
RAISE mad_doggie53, 150 to 200
FOLD FourAcesNow
FOLD ELIZABETH_27
FOLD grainbelt09
FOLD marco2707
CALL InsaneGuy , 200
FOLD goobretty
CALL crainemann, 150

Flop:
[ Ts7dAc]
CHECK crainemann:
CHECK mad_doggie53:
CHECK InsaneGuy :

How can you not bet here?
Not betting here is much worse than open pushing with 23o. unless you are trapping.

Turn:
[ ] [ ]
BET crainemann, 200
FOLD mad_doggie53

Ok your trap worked ... push all in!

FOLD InsaneGuy
crainemann collected 625 from pot

SUMMARY:
Total pot 625 | Rake 0

What are you waiting for?

zunni74

m_dolens;145326 wrotei found the problem...

Don't knock them.. I'm winning money about 50% of the time with these..

Juggling man

You only need a few hands to make it to top 3 true, but you made it to top three with a piddly little stack. You have to open up your range in mid-game IMO if you want a shot at #1. Otherwise, this happens.

m_dolens

zunni74;145712 wroteDon't knock them.. I'm winning money about 50% of the time with these..

let me clarify. OP stated that he blinded off during a turbo sng and then showed a HH to explain why. i merely pointed out that it was a turbo sng which i would label as the MAIN reason why someone would blind off in such a scenario (as opposed to pushing/getting lucky or pushing/losing).

i don't play turbos as i stated in a previous post - i'm not a gambler, i'm a poker player.

_obv_

m_dolens;145747 wrote i don't play turbos as i stated in a previous post - i'm not a gambler, i'm a poker player.

As a poker player aren't you trying to maximize the money you make? If you are a good sng player it makes little sense to play non turbos since you will make more $/hour playing the turbos.

GTA Poker

m_dolens;145747 wrotelet me clarify. OP stated that he blinded off during a turbo sng and then showed a HH to explain why. i merely pointed out that it was a turbo sng which i would label as the MAIN reason why someone would blind off in such a scenario (as opposed to pushing/getting lucky or pushing/losing).

i don't play turbos as i stated in a previous post - i'm not a gambler, i'm a poker player.

turbos are definitely more profitable than non turbos you need to look at the big picture

m_dolens

i am aware that turbos allow for the 'chance' to win more money per hour and that's great. however, it is also true that if i played 20+ tables it allows for the 'chance' to win more money per hour. it is also true that if i just jumped up to a much higher level it would allow for the 'chance' to win more money etc. etc.

i'm not looking merely for a 'chance' to win more money, i'm looking for (at least as close to as possible) a guarantee to win money. turbos are mostly push/fold necessarily-luck crapshoots (for arguments sake let's say at least 50% of the time).

is it true that i can win more money per hour (i.e. quicker) - yes i don't doubt or argue this point. is it true that i can lose a lot more money per hour because i'm extremely unlucky - yes obviously. therefore, i'll stick to the slow and steady/more guaranteed money imho.