What do you do?

STR82ACE

Mark's right when he says too many players slow play too often. I've seen guys slow play bottom two pair on a straight/flush board. More often than not, slowplaying will backfire on you if you use it too often.

I like Mark's example of a 'poor bet'...it screams out for someone to come over the top of him, and bang, you're trap is set and sprung in one motion.

Mark, don't even THINK about using that bullshit at RCV!! ;)

JimmyHo

you might find this post to be useful. Kind along the same line as your question. I often find I push on the flop ahead, only to get burned on the turn or river. A pot size bet sometimes might be a good strategy with a push on the turn. Have a look:

http://www.pokerforum.ca/showthread.php?t=14984

Although you don't have much behind to bet pot on the flop and still make a decent raise on the turn. But it might help some what.

JimmyHo

pokrgod;144161 wroteYeah, the raise was bad. I knew that right away. Knowing that someone was drawing was the reason i pushed to begin with. The hole is, that i have a hard time knowing when to slow-play and when not to.

Have a read of Largay's chapter on slow playing. Its typically better to raise and hope someone got a piece of the flop so they will call you on a draw. If they missed the flop, if you check, they will likely not improve on the turn/river so you make no extra money anyways. If you give them a free card, they may also improve and you might now be behind.

BBC Z

Call the flop and push the turn? Why just call the flop and give a free card here? Why not just push and hope for bricks?

Because the PFR-Flop push on draw heavy board makes me put him on an overpair. If villians have brains, they'll smell that too and likely get out of the way. On the turn, they're all dancing anyway and you guarentee yourself their stacks.

pokrgod

BBC Z;144227 wroteBecause the PFR-Flop push on draw heavy board makes me put him on an overpair. If villians have brains, they'll smell that too and likely get out of the way. On the turn, they're all dancing anyway and you guarentee yourself their stacks.

Very good point.

BlondeFish

pokrgod;144114 wroteCN 1/2 NL:
I'm on the button with $95. Player in CO is LAG (borderline maniac)stack size $255.

Assuming this is $200 maximum 1/2 at Casino Niagara, with the maniac to my right, I would have kept topping up to $200, instead of being short-stacked at $95 with low implied odds.

Hole cards: :5c :6c
Pre flop: folds to solid player, limps.
CO: limps
Hero: senses some weekness, makes button raise to $8.
:
agreed, i definitely didn't raise enough.

IMHO, calling with 6-5 soooted is much better than raising. With less than $100, you are not getting enough implied odds to raise with a 6-high garbage hand and committing more than 8% of your chips. With a couple of limpers and suited connectors on the button, you want the blinds to call in order to get the big implied odds IF you hit your straight or flush.

Solid player: bets $25
CO: calls $25
pot: $77
What do you do here? I have the nuts, sure this is an easy answer.

You may have the nuts for the moment, but with multiple players showing strength, you as a short stack want to raise all-in to try to protect your vulnerable hand. Since you can only raise to $62 more, a player with a high flush draw (or set) would have the proper pot odds to call your all-in even if he thinks you have the nut straight. In this case, a flush draw will actually have four less club outs, but chasing a flush (or full house) will still be profitable if another player calls. Flat-calling and slow-playing would be horrible given the stacks.

pokrgod;144119 wroteSo far, so good. I push AI for $87. Solid player re-raises AI, CO calls.

The so-called solid player on the CO should have flat-called, hoping that the maniac will call. NON-solid player instead re-raises all-in, but lucky for him, donkey maniac donates $147 more to both of you, calling on just bottom pair. ???

After reading about this hand, I now have this irresistible urge to carpool to to Niagara Falls on Wednesday. :D

ReefAquarium

BlondeFish;144349 wroteAssuming this is $200 maximum 1/2 at Casino Niagara, with the maniac to my right, I would have kept topping up to $200, instead of being short-stacked at $95 with low implied odds.

Most games are the tiny 100 max buying. Except for weekends it's pretty much all 1/2 100 max. I always start a list for 1/2 200 max and 2/5 300 max as soon as I arrive but it rarely starts up.

IMHO, calling with 6-5 soooted is much better than raising. With less than $100, you are not getting enough implied odds to raise with a 6-high garbage hand and committing more than 8% of your chips. With a couple of limpers and suited connectors on the button, you want the blinds to call in order to get the big implied odds IF you hit your straight or flush.
You may have the nuts for the moment, but with multiple players showing strength, you as a short stack want to raise all-in to try to protect your vulnerable hand. Since you can only raise to $62 more, a player with a high flush draw (or set) would have the proper pot odds to call your all-in even if he thinks you have the nut straight. In this case, a flush draw will actually have four less club outs, but chasing a flush (or full house) will still be profitable if another player calls. Flat-calling and slow-playing would be horrible given the stacks. The so-called solid player on the CO should have flat-called, hoping that the maniac will call. NON-solid player instead re-raises all-in, but lucky for him, donkey maniac donates $147 more to both of you, calling on just bottom pair. ???

Fabulous analysis.

I think what the OP meant by solid player is that he's better than most CN players. ie he knows about not playing total trash preflop but nothing more.

After reading about this hand, I now have this irresistible urge to carpool to to Niagara Falls on Wednesday. :D

Me too, I think I'll leave around 9 am. Phone me if you get this before then.

BlondeFish

Me too, I think I'll leave around 9 am. Phone me if you get this before then.

Unfortunately, I haven't gotten enough sleep, so I probably won't make it to Fallsview until much later than that. Good luck!

ReefAquarium

BlondeFish;144356 wroteUnfortunately, I haven't gotten enough sleep, so I probably won't make it to Fallsview until much later than that. Good luck!

Okay, Phone me when you want to go.

Davis08

i would love to be in this situation lol

pokrgod

I totally agree that i played wrong preflop. The max was $100 unfortunately :(. And you're right, "solid player" is better than most at CN. I do love playing there. I think that's where my gaps are coming from though. Nobody there really plays "solid" poker. 3x and 4x BB raises are small there and usually get 5 callers min LOL. I find myself getting bored like on that night and playing a wider range of hands. NEED TO STOP THAT but as long as you can outplay them on the flop or later, it's very profitable. Also, I work til 4am and think i'm going tonight after work too. If you're still there, I'll be there.

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