DrTyore
Hey all
Okay... so, tell me what you do here, what you think he has, and what the worst case scenario is... results in white...
Mark
POKERSTARS GAME #12235509690: TOURNAMENT #61173195, $3.00+$0.30 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL XIII (800/1600) - 2007/09/23 - 23:29:47 (ET)
Table '61173195 273' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: tocatchfish (83413 in chips)
Seat 2: TheWall1 (25390 in chips)
Seat 3: DrTyore (45159 in chips)
Seat 4: LeafsFan1122 (57820 in chips)
Seat 5: Widgets (46931 in chips)
Seat 6: OmahaHighway (89290 in chips)
Seat 7: btd1200 (42449 in chips)
Seat 8: Beach Bum (5695 in chips)
Seat 9: mlpoker2 (53979 in chips)
tocatchfish: posts the ante 150
TheWall1: posts the ante 150
DrTyore: posts the ante 150
LeafsFan1122: posts the ante 150
Widgets: posts the ante 150
OmahaHighway: posts the ante 150
btd1200: posts the ante 150
Beach Bum: posts the ante 150
mlpoker2: posts the ante 150
btd1200: posts small blind 800
Beach Bum: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DrTyore [Qs Qc]
mlpoker2: folds
tocatchfish: calls 1600
TheWall1: calls 1600
DrTyore: raises 4900 to 6500
LeafsFan1122: calls 6500
Widgets: folds
OmahaHighway: calls 6500
btd1200: folds
Beach Bum: calls 3945 and is all-in
tocatchfish: folds
TheWall1: folds
*** FLOP *** [5d 7s 4s]
DrTyore: bets 20000
LeafsFan1122: raises 31170 to 51170 and is all-in
OmahaHighway: folds
DrTyore: calls 18509 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [5d 7s 4s] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [5d 7s 4s 3d] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DrTyore: shows [Qs Qc] (a pair of Queens)
LeafsFan1122: shows [Ks Kh] (a pair of Kings)
LeafsFan1122 collected 79883 from side pot
Beach Bum: shows [Jd As] (a straight, Ace to Five)
Beach Bum collected 27530 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 107413 Main pot 27530. Side pot 79883. | Rake 0
Board [5d 7s 4s 3d 2s]
Seat 1: tocatchfish folded before Flop
Seat 2: TheWall1 folded before Flop
Seat 3: DrTyore showed [Qs Qc] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 4: LeafsFan1122 showed [Ks Kh] and won (79883) with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: Widgets folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: OmahaHighway (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: btd1200 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Beach Bum (big blind) showed [Jd As] and won (27530) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 9: mlpoker2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
dalini
4 of you in the pot you have Q Q. The cards are so clustered someone has made a st8 or is on a spade draw. With all your betting you have alot of chips in the pot and you are kind of pot committed. You are in a tough spot.
fdart17
I would of not bet that much after the flop, someone might have KK/AA, thats what I would assume.
If not, someone has flopped a set/has a straight or straight draw. There is also the flush possibility.
I would of raised more preflop or folded it postflop.
westside8
Preflop you probably have the best hand. I dont see AA or KK slow-playing that much. While you might have the best hand post flop, there will probably be alot of cards you have to dodge. With that bet postflop you would be committed, so you can't really fold after that bet. A smaller bet might have given you the equity to fold, but given the preflop action, I think I would think I'm good. I would lean towards a smaller overpair or a hand like AKs or something...would is probably your worse case scenerio...
Now time to read to see how big of a donk I am...
kevin14
so what was the result of the hand
Pinhead
kevin14;126668 wroteso what was the result of the hand
Highlight that blank space in the OP and you will see...
schabs
yea wut was result
schabs
im assuming u lost to a spade flush, u did have all ur chips in with the best hand it seems, cant do much after u raise 4900, and then 20000 on flop
DrTyore
The final bit of the hand history is there, just in "white" font...
Click your mouse at the end of the text...and drag downwards (while holding the button)
Mark
ChrisWinsor
I'd push, I would have thought aa or kk wouldn't want so many players seeing the flop and would come over top of you.
-ev
With no reads, your opponent(s) could have anything from a set, OESD, flush draw, overpair better or worse than yours or some kind of stupid top pair hand. I would hope to not see a flopped straight or 2 pair but who knows?
Your M is in the 12-13 range. I would have raised slightly more PF but the results don't change - just less likely to be up against a straight or 2 pr I hope. On that flop, given the money you have left (about 1.5x pot?), you can't get away from the hand without a good read or xray vision. Getting nearly 5-1 on your money on the all-in call you are ahead often enough that folding here would be weak. I guess you could have checked the flop (not my preference) but I still can't see you getting away from this hand.
Checking with pokerstove, if he just had some pair (other than 22, 33):
Board: 5d 7s 4s
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.605% 51.51% 02.10% 26516 1080.00 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 46.395% 44.30% 02.10% 22804 1080.00 { 44+ }
Compare this to a broader range, 44+, some kind of spade draw, some OESD:
Board: 5d 7s 4s
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.047% 49.38% 01.67% 39594 1340.50 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 48.953% 47.28% 01.67% 37915 1340.50 { 44+, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, A6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, K6s, 86s, 76s, 64s+ }
You are around 50% in each case. Too much money in the pot to let this one go.
BBC Z
Wow, everyone looking to fold on the flop.. amazing.
I call here, sure you can be losing to a set.. no way a flopped straight and the two spades make the flush draw very likely to push the flop.
-ev
BBC Z;126687 wroteWow, everyone looking to fold on the flop.. amazing.
I don't think anyone has said 'fold' yet.
fdart17
Wow, I didn't know about highlighting the blank space untill now ^_^
Turns out he did have KK like I predicted, but on the flop i would of bet maybe 5,000, then folded to any reraise.
DrTyore
BBC Z;126687 wroteWow, everyone looking to fold on the flop.. amazing.
I figure that's just the 20/20 hindsight phenomenon....
Regardless.. I figured it was an interesting hand, and I was shocked seeing what the pusher had.
No reads on the table, I was relatively new having recently been moved. As some have said here, I most expected some sort of lame flush / straight draw trying to push me off my AK, or maybe a top pair situation (hey, it WAS a $3 rebuy ;) )
Mark
BigChrisEl
I think I go broke here, it would worry me that one of the people may have hit a set with the smooth call behind but still I think I push I think.
How close to the money are you to the money because that could be a factor in deciding to fold because you have a very nice chip stack and if he has a flush draw or straight draw do you want to risk your whole game on a gamble?
westside8
westside8;126667 wrotePreflop you probably have the best hand. I dont see AA or KK slow-playing that much. While you might have the best hand post flop, there will probably be alot of cards you have to dodge. With that bet postflop you would be committed, so you can't really fold after that bet. A smaller bet might have given you the equity to fold, but given the preflop action, I think I would think I'm good. I would lean towards a smaller overpair or a hand like AKs or something...would is probably your worse case scenerio...
Now time to read to see how big of a donk I am...
ChrisWinsor;126676 wroteI'd push, I would have thought aa or kk wouldn't want so many players seeing the flop and would come over top of you.
BBC Z;126687 wroteWow, everyone looking to fold on the flop.. amazing.
I call here, sure you can be losing to a set.. no way a flopped straight and the two spades make the flush draw very likely to push the flop.
-ev;126686 wroteWith no reads, your opponent(s) could have anything from a set, OESD, flush draw, overpair better or worse than yours or some kind of stupid top pair hand. I would hope to not see a flopped straight or 2 pair but who knows?
Your M is in the 12-13 range. I would have raised slightly more PF but the results don't change - just less likely to be up against a straight or 2 pr I hope. On that flop, given the money you have left (about 1.5x pot?), you can't get away from the hand without a good read or xray vision. Getting nearly 5-1 on your money on the all-in call you are ahead often enough that folding here would be weak. I guess you could have checked the flop (not my preference) but I still can't see you getting away from this hand.
Exactly where did everyone say fold?
BBC Z
A smaller bet might have given you the equity to fold
Everyone who's trying to cover all thier bases by saying: Well you coulda folded, or you could call , or you could raise, or you could push all-in..
Then they highlight the text:
"Oh look at that, I'm right. I'm g00d."
fdart17
I would of not bet that much after the flop, someone might have KK/AA, thats what I would assume.
If not, someone has flopped a set/has a straight or straight draw. There is also the flush possibility.
I would of raised more preflop or folded it postflop.
But I did :O
And bwt, pocket kings got what they deserved for not reraising preflop.
m_dolens
i fold on the flop here. way too many callers out there. you have to assume that someone's got KK or AA i think. if not then you're at a table with a bunch of donks and you'll make your money back soon anyway. learn to fold your overpair and live to fight another day.