The Unit receives a passing grade

RiverRatJosh

as for hands per hour.......I fill out dealers sheets at my club when they come out of the box.....a NL game can expect apporximately 12-16 hands in a half hour shift. Not every pot maxes out rake....certainly not in 1-2. Most hands dont get to the river....some not even to a flop......and some take 10 minutes. Thats NL for ya.

Also let it be known that most clubs run 2 -3 nights a week. Mine 2. that means we only get together to fill the rake box 8 times out of 30 days. Just to survive and keep the doors open (Rent and expenses et all) we need 3 of those night dont argue this one...I PAY THE BILLS.

That leaves 5 nights a month.....5 out of 30.....to make a living for several partners. Anyone who will begint o deny me that leway to run a business and do the best we can in those 5 nights.....can kiss my CULO.

We dont wat to rip people off... it is exactly the opposite...running successfull for those 5 measly nigths out of 30 means treating people right......promoting them to come back.....making people enjoy it all.....not taking advantage.....if people felt we were fleecing them night after night....we would not have a business. So clubs like the UNIT and ours will play out the lifecycle of the market and hope we can bring the action out and provide a great product for as long as circumstances allow.

As for jackpot, we pay out 250$ every night to high hand.....It is not a cash grab.....that money goes back to the players......or at least the ones who hit the bad beats of royals.....please dont think it is a cash grab.......

and to tell the truth....I woudl remove it altogether if players felt the way you guys did about just leaving it in the pot. Maybe I will poll the crowd on the issue in the comming weeks.

AcidJoe

I hate to do it but I agree with Josh here.... HI Josh. I have several poker clubs within 10 minutes of my office. If I leave work to go to the casino I have a 141 KM drive to niagara or a 115 km drive to rama. That time in the car is worth something to me. From the club I'm just over a half hour home, not so from either casino. I (usually) have minimal down time at the club to get a seat compared to the casinos. This is the rake of life. IF I burn 1/4 tank of gas in my truck to get to the casino this is part of the rake not to mention my time to get there and back.

You all talk about playing bad players, I can set you up in a game with the worst..... Where 1 player will cash his runner runner flush and 2 will hang in with a gut shot..... pot sized bets get no respect...... you win big or lose big play 1/2 NL no fold'em hold'em. You want to see frustrating, play that game. IN the long haul it's +EV but the variance there is huge. This game is rake free outside of the $5 the house takes from every player for food.

JimmyHo

AcidJoe;121423 wroteYou all talk about playing bad players, I can set you up in a game with the worst..... Where 1 player will cash his runner runner flush and 2 will hang in with a gut shot..... pot sized bets get no respect...... This game is rake free outside of the $5 the house takes from every player for food.

Send me the details on that one Joe :)

AcidJoe

Jah, you know the players..... the typical Bradford calling stations. PM me if you want to play in it and I'll send you the details. It is in my neck of the woods.

SkullzNBones

RiverRatJosh, definitely seems like your club has too many owners. You have 5 owners, the Unit has 2 owners.
The Unit does not pay rent either, so they are much smarter at running a club than you are.

Anyways, from an owner's standpoint, a $10 rake might be needed since an underground club does not run as many tables as a casino. Does not run as many days as a casino, and does not run as many hours as a casino.

From an owner's standpoint, you might need a $10 rake; especially if your 1/2 NL game isn't too strong.

Gamblor

RiverRatJosh is an A+ character, as are Jay and Two. I know all three of them and would vouch for them.

That being said, I always ask about the Rake. As a customer at their poker club, and having played poker for a living for upwards of 5 years now, I am always conscious of the rake in any game.

Failing to take account of the rake is a major leak. Rake turns some close +EV calls into folds. That being said, A rake that is too high is simply unbeatable over the long run. You may beat the game in the short term, but if the rake is too high, there is too much money being taken out of the pot. 10% max $10 in a 1-2 game is a very bad rake. 10% max $10 in a 5-5 game is an ok rake. $15 max is terrible and $20 is unbeatable unless someone is allin every hand.

Here are a couple things to think about when the rake is high such as at poker clubs:

Loose players pay more rake than tight players. Loose players win more small pots and therefore will be paying the full 10% in rake in most pots they win. Tight players win less pots but bigger pots and will usually cap out the rake, thus taking advantage of the cap and giving themselves a discount on the rake.

If you're getting raked badly, consider reducing your tips. I tip $1-2 a hand, no matter how big. If I have a monster night, I might tip $5-10 extra at the end of the night. Tipping $5 a hand to a dealer every $50 pot you win that didn't see the turn card is ludicrous. It takes money off the table and more importantly makes everyone else look cheap. If you're there to gamble and be entertained, tip away, but if you're there to make money, consider the tip as part of the rake, and don't be paying more rake than you need to or the dealer deserves.

The higher rake is due to the added risk of a SWAT team breaking down your door. It's a black market, and there is a black market tax. The profit margin on an average ounce of pot are upwards of 35%, a number unheard of in any legal industry. This is the exact same thing; an illegal product filling a demand in the market. There is significant risk to the entrepreneur and you, as customer, will pay to mitigate that risk.

The real crux of the issue is this: if you don't want to pay the higher rake, drive to Niagara.

Shane

JimmyHo

Gamblor;124753 wrote There is significant risk to the entrepreneur and you, as customer, will pay to mitigate that risk.

That's a good point; haven't thought of this obvious point.

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