What did I do?

SamuelMasson

Im playing a 1/3$ cash game 325$ effective.
I call a raise to 15$ from utg in the cutoff with 10 9 off so do 2 other players.
The flop is 10 9 5 hhd. One check and UTG bets 20$. I raise to 60$ both other players fold and utg calls. Turn is A clubs. He checks I check back. River is Q diamond. He bets 150$. What would you do?

TheCoordinator

SamuelMasson we need more context here but if the player was an average rec, its 100% a call. In this situation seems very likely he floated KJ hit the gutter and is going for pot value, so I cant blame a fold.

Why are you checking the turn in position is the bigger question?

BenjaminGoodings

SamuelMasson simple answer. Don’t call from the CO with 10 9o lol

trigs

(Disclaimer: I'm definitely no expert and rarely play NLHE anymore.)

As played, I fold river here.

I don't like the check back on the turn though. If he's chasing a straight or flush he missed it so make him pay. If he's got Ax, you're ahead still so make him pay. Ask yourself why are you raising the flop? What's your plan for the turn? An ace looks like a card he could hit and possibly pay you off with top pair, so why check there?

MrCaspan

trigs (Disclaimer: I'm definitely no expert and rarely play NLHE anymore.)

you forgot the s***** taste in pizza?? 😉

MrCaspan

Hey and welcome to the forum!!

Well if OTG is opening, what range are they opening with, and also they are putting down 5x BB open. This is not really a standard open from UTG unless this is just what the table has been doing. So live games are all over the place but I would assume 1/3 game would be experienced players? LOL I could be way off on that statement . I know you have to adjust your game based on what's happening at the table. If this is a normal table this person is literally announcing their hand with a 5x open. You never said your position but 9To?? I'm not sure this is a call ever unless you know this person is opening so wide. 9Ts maybe?? But why are you just throwing money away for possible fishing? 9T does flop well but not worth spending the money unless it's worth it pot odds wise IE closing the action and it's only like another one or two big blinds to you to close it.. especially with three or four people in it you're priced in. it does not sound like you're in the big blind or small blind.. so sounds more like you're in middle position.. then the UTC c-bets and you raised, which I get in the spot it's an understandable play. I don't understand the check back on the turn then? if you're raising on the flop you need to fire again for the same reason on the turn IMO you also gave up your position of controlling the hand unless you did that to be a trap to get them to bet on river.. but this line doesn't make any sense why would you re-rise on the flop and then hide your hand AKA slow play your hand on the turn. it's either one of the other.. this is a very confusing hand as to why each action was taken. to be honest it sounds like two amateurs playing way higher stakes than they should be. and I only say this not as a slight but it's like trying to understand why a broken clock is displaying a specific time.. there's no rhyme or reason for it it's random it just is what it is! this hand feels like a broken clock to me..

maybe if you can explain some thought process into why you decided to re-raise on the flop but then check on the turn..

trigs

MrCaspan Come to one of my games and then you can judge the food I provide 😉

MrCaspan

trigs Come to one of my games and then you can judge the food I provide

I would if you would play NLH haha I hate mixed games with a passion.. Also I'm poker broke, I can't afford more than $50 for tournaments

trigs

MrCaspan Have to learn the mixed games eventually. You're missing out on all the fun!

rtj3333

I’m with Trigs. My advice was going to be fold the hand and quickly find the nearest Omaha table so that decision is a no brainer

rtj3333

Also, you’re never going to go wrong when the host provided pulled pork and smoked sausages. I got your back Trigs 😂

MrCaspan

rtj3333 Oh I know, Triggs is a great host 🙂 Just playing around

woog30

I mostly play mixed games now but here is my thoughts. If your going to raise the flop, I'm not sure it's large enough, the villain is calling 40 into 140 after your bet, certainly getting the odds to call any draw. If its a little larger raise you might get the villain to shove with over pair and or draw. I'm definitely on the more on the agro side but you blocking sets of the top 2 and ahead the majority of the time. By checkiing the turn your giving up control and basically gonna lose this pot to any good player unless you spike a 10 or 9 on the river. Fold as played.

PS FU @trigs lol, great host though

woog30

woog30 PS in mixed omaha games I never raise here. Don't tell my villians that though.

djgolfcan

1/3 players are terrible for the most part. $15 raise is standard now from any position.
it would be nice if you had a read on villain as to what he likes to open with but my guess is he is trying to get value from a decent starting hand. AK, AQ, AA, KK, QQ but then throw in an pocket pair.
when you raise the flop, make it bigger, with two players still to act behind you. you want to get heads up with the original raiser.
when the ace hits the turn, this is your money card, any Ax is never folding.
bet 40% pot on turn and shove the river, especially if no flush comes, makes him think you missed the flush and are trying to buy it

djgolfcan

As soon as you check turn, he is always going to barrel the river with any ace, or a missed flush draw because you have severely under repped your hand

EdtheTed

BenjaminGoodings given the pot odds that call was perfectly fine. The problems were post flop and I think DJ’s summary was pretty good.

BenjaminGoodings

EdtheTed lucid GTO says 10 9o is a 100% fold every time in this scenario pre flop. Don’t think I’ve seen any pre flop charts that recommend calling pre flop with 10 9o. Maybe a call from the big blind but not without any money already invested in the pot. That being said it should be an easy fold on the river as the ace and Q hit the UTG range hard. I don’t see anyone bluffing in this spot and with this bet size especially when CO already showed strength on the flop.

EdtheTed

BenjaminGoodings The problem is the original description which doesn't give everyone's position. "I call a raise to 15$ from utg in the cutoff with 10 9 off so do 2 other players." I was initially thinking it was worth calling with the money from the OR and the two other callers (you are putting in $15 to make $60 and you are in position).

One of the charts I use says with UTG raise and no other players, 10,9o is just out of the range and is a fold, But I think if it's a looser cash game, you are getting 4 to 1 and are in late position, it's an easy call.

compuease

GTO theory really is better online... Live, not so much.... Especially around here. 🙂 Agreed, error came by not heavily betting the turn.