"Scalping" v. "Ethics"
At Compuease's suggestion, I thought I would start a thread about "scalping" tickets. Whether it be to sporting events, poker tournies, concerts, etc.
What do you folks think about the practice, in general?
Ever bought seats? Sold at a premium?
Is it worse when it is a Corporate re-seller, as opposed to the guy with a stack of tix outside the venue?
Do you reserve your venom for event hosts that could curb the problem, but choose not to bother?
What does this community think about it?
What do you folks think about the practice, in general?
Ever bought seats? Sold at a premium?
Is it worse when it is a Corporate re-seller, as opposed to the guy with a stack of tix outside the venue?
Do you reserve your venom for event hosts that could curb the problem, but choose not to bother?
What does this community think about it?
Comments
If people for whatever reason (timing, finances, laziness) don't manage to get ticket's on time but still want to attend, then damn right, someone should be making money off them
Not saying if it's right or wrong, but I can see how it happens.
In a way, its almost a good thing scalpers exist, sure, you might have to pay a few extra bucks, but often, paying a few extra dollars is better than totally missing that event whether it be a concert, sporting event or poker tournament *cough*
Not fair . . . you knew it was coming.
Personally never purchased from a re-seller. If I want to go to an event, I make sure I can get a ticket, or I do not bother. Sorry, that is not entirely true. My brother and I bought 500 level seats off a guy outside the Dome one time, and got to watch Dave Stieb almost throw a perfect game against the Yankees . . . FUCK ROBERTO KELLY.
That said, we got the seats for less than face, as the game had already started (missed the first inning).
I have sold tickets to members of this site, never for a mark-up. No mark-up needed as the seats were giveaways through work related companies. Always a win-win, as the buyer gets game seats, and I get some cash.
I tend to feel more harshly towards venues that have policies that allow it to run rampant, as in the case of Fallsview, or TicketMaster, but that is just me . . .
the hell? o.O
Anyway, blame the player, don't blame the game
I love you man . . . no homo.
Also, for those who would rail against people buying several tickets to a tournament event, does it matter if they then offer those tickets up in satellite tournies? The hosts end up deriving a certain amount of "benefit", if not necessarily a direct profit from that type of thing. I see nothing wrong with it myself. The sale dates for these, and most other types of event s are well publicized or readily available with a minimal amount of effort.
Fallsview....? the member that is...
Carolina even setup a giant screen in the parking lot so those that didn't get in could party and watch outside.. I think there were even more leaf fans there that there are for Buffalo games when Toronto is playing there.
Cujo was great and Alan MacAulay scored with just a few seconds left to send it to O/T before Carolina won it 2-1. Can't believe that was 10 years ago now. The noise was deafining with all the leaf chants, much louder than here since these were the real fans that sucked it up and made the 12-13 hr drive.... good times... I digress...
The problem begins and ends with the poker room. If they allow this to happen, and you don't agree with it, then don't support them. Sure this tournament could be soft....but newsflash, most $1k live tournaments are soft.
Fallsview is to blame for all this. To me, the solution seems rather simple....just add another day 1 to the $1k. If people are buying a $1k ticket for $1.5k...the demand is clearly high enough where you can add another day. The mark up of all the scalper tickets will magically decrease.
Like come on, you're a big time player FFS, you plan these big tournaments out in advance and set the funds aside. Him bitching cause he did not do this is what I have a problem with.
Like I said everything else I can probs agree with you Scotty.:)
still got the moves huh?
oh, 2 lines oh nooooooo and they were explaining I was not talking about scalping.:rolleyes2:.
Where is Dr. tyore when you need him>:D.
Scotty is gonna see the message anyway so no big deal.
Me agreeing is being a dick? WOW
I am just saying what is right. More like you and Milo being a dick if anything, I make a sarcastic joke and agree, yet you want to start shit? This is what I have a problem with you on here, just stop, you're making yourself look like a fraud.
If I am a dick or a asshole for that, than oh well I am, don't like it, tough beans.
fyp..
LOL, ole timer:p
I am proud to be one, and I have earned the right over the years to be one.
I am lighten up, I made a promise to be more vocal about scammer's, fraud's, discriminator's and stupidity this year, I have backed off here and there and I feel ugh about it. ( not just on this forum for the record).
It's not 1 single person on here or anything just to let ya's know, I hate all the above equally no matter where I am.:)
Enough talk about it, I was just pointing out the op stupidity and that's that.
So ironic. I took my girlfriend to Boston that weekend and that very night I had paid double face value for 2 of the shittiest tickets available at Fenway Park. We had originally wanted to go to the Sunday afternoon game but it was Yaz day (Carl Yastremski's number being retired) and scalpers were asking for $200 for the same shitty seats.
I buy marked up tickets whenever I go to Habs games unless I get lucky enough to hit the lottery that is on-line ticket sales (it has happened a couple times). It's about supply and demand. I like that sites now have some limits on ticket purchases and anti-bot measures but for the most part my purchases aren't through professional scalpers.
Also strangely enough I am currently considering my first foray into scalping as I have some Masters practice round tickets that I have found are quite valued combined with a major purchase I want to make (see Muddguts chips).
The moral dilemma begins.
YAY Comp! This is more like it, do it honestly and I will still make you $$$$.;)
Well depends on the situation, it is fallsview's fault for allowing this to happen, which I see you posted already, if their is a valid reason you have to sell a ticket than no problem, if you buy a tonne like in this case of fallsview tournaments to just sell them or rip people off, than no.:)
I've bought scalpers before. Once for the Habs at Leafs and once for Eric Clapton at MLG and I don't feel I got ripped off.
I c wat you did their.
I went to Boston about 10 years ago... damn, I feel old now... Anyhow, I wanted to check out a Bruins game while I was there so I went to the Fleet Center and bought a ticket off a guy. There were about 6-8 guys clearly scalping tickets. Went with the least shady looking/acting one of the bunch and got a seat about 10 rows up for $25 under the regular price. Then, as I sat down, the lady beside me asks how much the scalper charged me. I was very confused until she told me they had sold him the ticket for $10 as her husband was unable to come to the game and it paid for the kids popcorn. Damn.
My cousin, being the self proclaimed biggest Flyers fan and most knowledgable of all hockey fans, flew to Philly for Game 6 of the Finals against Chicago (you know, the one they lost when Kane put one in from basically a behind the goal line shot). He, in his infinite wisdom, buys tickets for him and his son from a scalper. Yeah, Mr. Knows Everything got taken. I still smile about it. The part that pisses me off is that the grandaughter of the Flyers owner ended up giving him free tickets because his kid was crying. What a fuckin' luckbox.
I hear this "just add another day 1" a lot.
It seems rather simple doesn't it? Why don't both the BCPC's and Fallsview do this? Another approx $60,000 in reg fees for just extending the schedule 1 day?
They hate money? Too lazy? They can clearly get the players right?
Or.....Maybe there is more to it than that. What players often tend to forget is that there is a whole business end to the industry too. A lot of things "could be better" but there has to be profits to have events at all. It sometimes seems so odd that people who's logic and success at the felts are based so much around +EV decisions and margins overlook or are so stubborn about this. These people also do a little math...Moving on...
I am really on the fence. I agree it's kinda a slap in the face when you look at it terms of players trying to take money of their peers...wait! Isn't that kinda what happens every time we sit at the felt? It's "friendly" though right?
Don't we all have at least a few in the crowd that are better rolled than others and can take more chances? The risk is still theirs too though right?
Edge: Player has money to do it, player has ambition to act and get the seats fast. Player knows buyer will make poor decision in purchasing, waiting etc.
At the table...Players has the money to do it. (bluff, bully, etc.) Player has ambition to make a strong move first. player knows opponent might make a poor decision and call
Anybody ever buy a seat off a player that was down on his luck and had to dump one he or she won, or just needed money more than a shot?
Ethically, did you also feel that he or she had better take the face value?
This is a very tricky subject and the fault lies in Fallsview's policies. The flip side of the coin is that the pot is juicy and players don't have to gamble on attendance. If the scalpers ever get stuck and history shows that sooner or later they will, it's gonna be even juicier...