Easiest laydown ever?
Level IV (50/100) in a Stars NL 10+1 rebuy tournament. I'm in the SB with about 10K, UTG has about 8K, LP and CO (cutoff) each have about 4K. UTG is the 'wildest' player of the four of us.
I'm dealt Ad 4d in SB. UTG calls, LP calls, CO raises 200 to 300 total, all 3 of us call. 1300 in the pot.
Flop: Ah 2s 5s. I check, UTG checks, LP bets 300, all of us call. 2500 in the pot.
Turn: 4s [Ah 2s 5s]. I check, UTG bets 1300, LP calls 1300, CO folds...
Back to me. 1300 to call into a 5100 pot.
Is this the easiest laydown ever, or do I think about playing on?
How bad was my preflop call?
What do my opponents have?
Any comments appreciated, results to follow...
Regards,
all_aces
I'm dealt Ad 4d in SB. UTG calls, LP calls, CO raises 200 to 300 total, all 3 of us call. 1300 in the pot.
Flop: Ah 2s 5s. I check, UTG checks, LP bets 300, all of us call. 2500 in the pot.
Turn: 4s [Ah 2s 5s]. I check, UTG bets 1300, LP calls 1300, CO folds...
Back to me. 1300 to call into a 5100 pot.
Is this the easiest laydown ever, or do I think about playing on?
How bad was my preflop call?
What do my opponents have?
Any comments appreciated, results to follow...
Regards,
all_aces
Comments
possible straight? flush draw? :?: :shock: :?:
hmmm trips
:shock:
Not that bad, I think, though I'd favour folding myself. You're getting into a hand where you have a lot of potential, and has a "wild" player in there. Plus, it's the re-buy period.
However...
This is not your flop. I would certainly fold here. Folding on the turn is much easier. Your hand has improved to 2 pair and you don't like it. All the more reason to have released it on the flop.
Wildman UTG has Kh Qh, becomes desperate that his backdoor straight and flush chances have evaporated, and now thinks he can represent the actual flush that's on board.
LP has As Qx.
Then it comes Q on the river, check-check. 8)
ScottyZ
Amen. Stupid damn trouble hands. I hit my hand... to a degree... and I'm still not happy. Playing these hands are going to be the death of me.
I need a diamond flop, but I don't get one. So why call the flop bet? Well, I can hit the three for a straight, and be happy with that. I can hit another ace, and be really really uncomfortable for a while. Or, I can hit a four for two pair, and hate my entire life.
I'll save the results for a bit, to see if I get any other callers... I mean replies.
Regards,
all_aces
ps: The reason wildman was so wild is because of a huge hand we played heads-up earlier in the tournament that tilted him, I think. I raised pre-flop with ace-king and only he called. He called with low diamonds. Flop came with 2 diamonds, I bet big, he called. Turn, no diamond, I bet big, he called. Looks like a flush draw to me... River, no diamond, I bet big, he raised big, I called with ace high, and took it down.
Then he went on TILT!
So, his bet of 1300 on the turn in this 'easiest laydown ever?' hand meant almost nothing to me. LP's smooth-call, however... was another story.
Why bet? You're thinking he may have had a bad pair in addition to (or instead of) the flush draw?
Okay, after this hint, I'm changing my guess for LP to As Xs. I ruled out that hand at first because I thought it was weird to make a wiener bet of 300 on the flop with a hand with so much potential that will *hate* a check-raise (or just a raise). But now I am thinking I might be giving players in round #4 of a $10 re-buy tournament too much credit.
Also, with your new Wildman profile, I'm going to say it's a river brick and Wildman pushes all-in and LP does Balki's dance of joy and calls with the 2nd nut flush.
I still say Kh Qh though. 8)
ScottyZ
Exactly... I didn't know for certain at the time that he had absolutely no pair. It sure looked like a flush draw to me, but I wanted him to fold some garbage pair he may have made along the way. He'd been playing decently before this hand, so it was reasonable to assume he'd be able to lay down bottom pair to a big river bet. When the flush card didn't come and he raised I was all the more certain that MHWG.
Hmmm.
It is weird. A bad play to be sure IF he was holding such a hand.
I think that this might be the case. I make the same mistake myself, often. The first hour of a Stars 10+1 rebuy tournament is like being in the poker twilight zone. People will go all-in with impunity. An example: very first hand of this same tournament, I'm dealt 99 UTG. I have 3000, having done my typical immediate rebuy. I make it 240 I think--foolishly hoping that this will be the kind of bet that might actually mean something to these rebuy maniacs. MP moves in on me for 1500 total. Button calls all-in for 1500 total. I would normally fold here in a heartbeat, but I called. Not because I was thinking 'if I lose I can just rebuy', but because I now know that that's exactly what THEY were thinking.
MP had JQo, Button had 22, and I doubled up to 6000 on the first hand. Unreal.
EVIL :twisted:
Regards,
all_aces
translation pls :shock:
indeed EVIL :twisted:
all_aces
RESULTS:
I folded. It was heads-up to the river:
River: 7h [4s Ah 2s 5s]. UTG checked, LP bet the rest of his chips (about 2000), and UTG called.
UTG: 3d 3c for a straight
LP: As 6s for an ace-high flush.
So, ScottyZ was right about LP's hand. He should play poker, or something...
I was drawing dead to an ace or a four.
Thanks for the feedback!
Regards,
all_aces
POKER
Nicely done, CO, and your ROFLMAO emoticon is awesome, too.
Regards,
all_aces
thx AA
What the heck, I'll give it a shot. 8)
ScottyZ