how do we get these games to the next level

Hey gang.

This goes out to any and all participants for discussion, but mainly to the administrators (organizers) of the various games here. We all know that we are in a grey area here, and I believe we all want a larger player base in general.

My question is as follows: What types of advertising begin to push the limit? I have seen games and clubs produce printed advertising materials, I have seen people soliciting at casinos, things like that. As a player, does it make you nervous to play in a game that is advertised on posters around town? As an operator, does advertising work?

Just some rambling thoughts ...

Comments

  • If the house doesn't take a rake, I'm not at all nervous.
  • Zithal wrote:
    If the house doesn't take a rake, I'm not at all nervous.

    I think that organizers should always be careful, with or with out a rake if they come for you, you still get the same charges. Players, well thats up to the law boys what happens to them.

    As for advertizing, we take our chances, I think you have to, no risk no gain. We try to keep it under wraps, but you still have to get the word out.

    I recommend going to bars that have free rolls and giving flyers to the people that are interested in tourneys or cash games.
  • Besides all of this, one of the best forms of advertisment is word of mouth. Run good tournaments, get a good reputation, get players that have fun... the rest will attend to itself.

    Bristol Street Classic I had an attendance of 7 players.
    The KWSOP Satellite tournament had 26.

    If I personally had the capacity to expand, I'm sure I could make it bigger.
  • Every game rakes....... even if the rake is designed to cover expenses. And believe me going to court as a found in in a common gaming house isn't pleasant even tho I've never been found guilty. Eventually there will be a test case to decide whether or not these tourney's are really legal. As the government found out, if I can play craps at rama there won't be a back room game. Now if the dealers could do as well as the back room boys for knowing the rules. LOL because I"m tired of correcting the dealers who can't pay out correct.
  • AcidJoe wrote:
    Every game rakes....... even if the rake is designed to cover expenses.

    Rob, how many millions are you raking in by holdiling a Bristol St. Classic every few weeks? LOL

    JohnnieH
  • JohnnieH wrote:
    AcidJoe wrote:
    Every game rakes....... even if the rake is designed to cover expenses.

    Rob, how many millions are you raking in by holdiling a Bristol St. Classic every few weeks? LOL

    JohnnieH

    Dude, I never said anyone was making millions. I said every game rakes even if the rake is to cover expenses.
    obviously you take Rake = LOTS of coin
  • AcidJoe wrote:
    Dude, I never said anyone was making millions. I said every game rakes even if the rake is to cover expenses.
    obviously you take Rake = LOTS of coin

    Actually, I don't rake my games. I never have.
  • The games I run outta my house with my friends I don't rake either.  But If you rent a hall get 10 tables going or whatever you have to rake to cover expenses.  You can't afford to be outta pocker 500-1000 just to let people play.   I never said anyone was making large money by running a tourney.  Tho i have no problem with someone making a little or whatever as long as I know what's being put into the prize pot and what's being taken out.   It's all perception I guess

    8 :c: 6 :d: is my favourite hand
  • Very true.

    But it is far away from my original Q.

    I have something like 300 people who have played in my games at some point, but I think there's thousands of people who would like to try it. I am wondering how to reach them.

    If you don't yet know, I run an actual chartered poker club at York U. We have anywhere from 50,000 people at any time on the campus. When I was in promo mode, I was able to grow from no people to over 200 inside of a month. I am wondering if the formula is the same to reach 1000. I have the resources to make the games happen, that isn't the problem.

    I just wanted some input I guess.
  • To Yorkpoker: If you run games on a regular basis, I'd love to know more about it. Always looking for a place to play that's organized properly.
  • I think rgspense was on the right track for you York,
    You have 50000 people and have tapped into the 200 pokerplayers.

    Trust me, the 200 each have 5 friends that are simply scared shitless to try it themselves, either worried that
    they don't have the disposable money to play (and likely lose) or for fear of being embarrassed because they don't
    know the game.

    Remind them, coming out is still cheaper (and more fun) that hitting the bar.
    The bar never sent them home with prize money $$$.

    Maybe a flatter payout structure to give people more hope of cashing. However minimal, if they leave with "tens of dollars"
    they'll be back.

    A freeroll or 2, with rules/hand charts etc, may be the way to get from 200 to 500-1000 regulars
  • Yorkpoker,
    How much are your buy-ins? If you had a lower limit game, maybe you could attract some newbies and/or on-line people. Maybe advertise a "Fish Night" and get some people hooked on poker. (No pun intended)
    When I started playing at Bristol St. in Waterloo, the buy=in was $5.00!! (with unlimited re-buys for an hour and twenty minutes)
    And now I'm not nearly as intimated to sit at a table ranging from $20-50. Anything above that and the wife starts to get on my case!!

    Wolfhound is correct in saying that a night of poker is better than going to bar, and for some people, it's probally a tab cheaper.

    JohnnieH
  • Actually, that's not far off of my thinking. I started with $20 games. The problem is that the regulars won't sit in a $20 game, and I don't have the resources to run more than one game a week.

    Back to basics.
  • What if you split the crowd. Have some high stakes games and some lower-end tables.
  • I did that. It's really tough to run two simultaneous games by yourself :)

    Actually, Tilter helped me run the second one, (and I think he monied) but I would need some help to run two full games, especially if we're talking about 100+ in each one.
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