I'm considering to try out Poker Stars


  • Move up in stakes to where they respect your raises.

    Seriously though, cash or tournaments?
  • thisORthat wrote: »
    Any advice?

    Stick with play money
  • Rake is probably unbeatable at most stakes. Plus you are playing against people with databases collecting hand histories so if you aren't using one yourself you are already at a disadvantage.

    Also, live is more fun anyway.
  • I like playing online as I can do other things at the same time and kill time when I am bored. I would highly recommend PokerTracker to start tracking your hands as you can learn a lot from the information it tells you about how you play and where you leaks are. But you need A LOT of hands before you can do this. IE I'm at ~60K cash game hands. With this many hands you can start to get a picture of how you play. With that said am playing to improve my game and the only way is with more hands and getting put in more situations. This is why I started at 1c/2c people might laugh at these $2 buyins for 100BB but it's a cheap class. I have to use a certain service to get cash there from Canada but it is easy to sign up for or you can go to the post office and buy money grams to use on the site at no extra cost.

    For me I use the following graph to decide when to move up and when to move down
    Start with $100 and it gives you 50 bullets at the 2NL stakes and you DO NOT move up till you are at $250. etc.. it's a math equation that you can keep applying as you go up.

    I have my display set to BB values not cash as I play based on BB numbers and that way when I move up or down levels it's all the same thing.

    Ask away if you need any help getting it all going!
  • I’m impressed. It’s very rare to find people these days that are willing to put in the hard work towards grinding through stakes properly.

    I started at 1c/2c as well, on PokerStars, and worked my way up to $2/$4, but with a tighter BRM (50-100). It took me a couple of years. I also used PT! I’m currently 4-tabling 25nl zoom. Poker has been my 99% of my income for the past 13 years.

    So, lots of similarities between us. I’d say the difference between 2004 and 2020 is massive though lol

    Good luck, man. I’m genuinely curious to see how this works out for you.
  • Well it is not pretty but not bad for two years worth of work at $2NL ... I started off knowing Yahtzee better then poker. I didn't have a clue how poker really worked till about two years ago when I started to get serious about it. Understanding position, ranges, pot odds, odds of hitting your drawing hand etc.. The best way to learn is to play and keep looking at where you are losing the most money and patch your leaks. I would feel like I am still a beginner player but to get to play 36K hands for ~$110 is not a bad price for entertainment. I play sit and go's also a lot but I like cash more. Grinding is one of the hardest thing I have ever had to do! The commitment to it the bankroll management the urge to not play up a level. I love the game and I love playing poker which keeps me going but there are some days I swear PS is doing some funny business!! Here is my 2NL Graph

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  • Its funny you can see in some places where i change a key factor in my game and the graph flattens out as i apply my knowledge but stupidity still gets me all the time.. Looking at a fish and assuming they never have anything because they are a fish.. you know the normal blinders when playing online! Always calling the All In River Jams! sigh....I will learn some day!
  • Obviously always room to improve but I wouldn't beat yourself up too much on that graph - trigs is correct that the rake at those stakes is likely a major factor there.
  • Online poker and tracking programs can be a great tool for improving. When I played online I never used a tracker but always felt I was at a disadvantage. Keep in mind some of the tools the tracker gives you when playing online, don't transition to live poker. Eg. Tracking bet frequency/sizing in live sessions are all reads/memory/feelings rather than tracker providing stats.

    Remember poker is fun, enjoy the aspect social aspect of live poker. Keeping improving, have fun, and don't take too many of my $$$..
  • Yeah I have personally found that playing live is so much easier to get reads and information from users then online. I much prefer live play to online play but being able to play 2-3 tables at the same times and watch Netflix makes it more interesting.

    Are the Woog Dollars worth more?
  • I think i found one of your leaks you could plug.
  • haha you mean pay attention to the game?
  • That's honestly one of my issues playing online. So easy to get distracted.
  • MrCaspan wrote: »
    Are the Woog Dollars worth more?

    YES... Yes they are :)

    Miss you guys!
  • Bfillmaff wrote: »
    YES... Yes they are :)

    Miss you guys!

    bring the wife down to Aruba at the end of the month...... get away from this damm covid virus.

    hope you all are doing well and Stella is enjoying her new land.
  • RE: Reply All

    compuease wrote: »
    Move up in stakes to where they respect your raises.
    Seriously though, cash or tournaments?

    I was thinking small stakes ca$sh games and maybe the odd tournament

    moose wrote: »
    Stick with play money

    Prolly the best advice...

    woog30 wrote: »
    Remember poker is fun, enjoy the aspect social aspect of live poker. Keeping improving, have fun, and don't take too many of my $$$..

    I often take the game too seriously. I should start cracking more lewd n crude jokes...
  • You have to play for money or else people do t play the same.
  • I've been doing ok at $0.05/$0.10 level but don't have the bank roll to back it up.
    Account currently holds $44.84 [USD] but down ~$300 [CAN]


  • MrCaspanMrCaspan Admin
    edited June 13
    I have been grinding the lower stakes forever and got nowhere but slowly drained and a lot of learning. The learning is really really important part of grinding for me. I have moved also to 5c/10c NL and I'm killing it for some reason. I'm not sure if I am on a lucky streak but over my career on PS I'm down -$400 USD but since I moved to the better stakes I'm only -$250 and bank roll is just about to break $300 USD. It took me a while to also realize that I needed to budget my bank roll and keep adding to it. Bank roll does not have to be 100% profits! It lets me play higher stakes quicker if I keep adding to it. Hopefully the money goes in faster than out and sometimes I don't play for two weeks but I keep adding the money. I have been working on my basement all summer so we can get back to poker in the fall I hope and I can host cash games!
  • How many BB/100 hands were you paying in rake in .01/.02 compared to .05/.10?
  • humm I will have to look to be honest. I would be curious also.. Problem in I have 50K hands at that level and only 5K hands in 10NL
  • Just take the total rake at 1c/2c and the total rake at 5c/10 and divide by number of hands and adjust for stakes.
  • the poker gods blessed me with a free ticket...
  • Oh my goodness, someone just won The Deal jackpot. Typically I play at the beginning of poker session just in case for a piece of the pie but forgot today...
  • Not bad for a freeroll but i think "they" let me win because they know I'll just punt it away.
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