Most common and identifiable tells...
I was just wondering what everyone thought is the most common or the most seen tells at the casino. Personally i notice the vein in the neck often (something I picked up from caro's book of tells) and found this one to be extremely useful.
Anyone else?
Anyone else?
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1. Player who has already folded becomes visibly upset when the flop comes down trips. Meaning: The player would have flopped trips.
2. Player looks at hole cards during a hand when the board is 3-suited. Meaning: The player does not have suited hole cards. (Caro #13)
3. Some form of a "What the heck?" motion, followed by a bet. Meaning: The player has a monster hand and wants a call. (Caro #23)
My favorite to fake is Caro #13. :cool:
Incidentally, I've always loved the photo that goes along with Caro #23 (Photo # 47). It's like the guy is saying, "I can still afford another haircut and nice suit like this one even if I lose this bet."
ScottyZ
If someone strikes up a conversation with his neighbour after making a bet he usually doesn't want to be called.
If someone's hands are shaking he's probably a new player with a big hand, and his adrenaline response is giving him away. Or, he's had too much coffee or he suffers from some sort of condition.
None of these are hard and fast 'rules'; rather, things I've noticed. There are other things but they're too player-specific to mention.
I was shaky whenever I got a big hand (Ks, A/K soooooooted), both of course I lost, tho I played them right.
I don't know what it is, chips are chips, I can sit 5/10 and not move, but when I sat that 10/20 game I went haywire again.
Ah well, for someone like me who's still getting started in the mid limit games, I guess it's understandable.
I had an earlier post, where I was shaking when I was on a semi-bluff because i was cold. I mentioned you should check my nipples when I'm shaking. Probably good advice, especially if you're playing Annie Duke. I could see that sending her over the edge. "Floor (whining voice), FLOOR (whining higher pitch voice), did you see him stare at my nipples (smug, I'm soooo beautiful, how could he not look demeanor) casual comment to someone willing to listen next to her, come on Floor (can't u see the travesty of his actions whining voice)..... I could go on.
Cheers
Magi
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Just a thought.
what about constantly playing with the chips?
I am a Private investigator by day, an dconsider myself to be a superior profilist. That helps at a poker table. My powers of observation are keen. I look for everyting like when a player bets, is he proud to bet.......is he looking into his competition, or is he looking at his chips as if to count what he has already counted a million times. If he can't look you in the eye, or chooses to stare at one spot and ignore possible callers it can mean one of two vey bad things. either he has a hand and is tryin gto play scared an wants callers, or he is on a weak hand that needs help, an dis bettign out his ass. In both cases you are left wanting to chase. This is bad. I would try to verbally confront him as a potential caller. Force him to address you and improvise. Most people can not remain a lifeless stone for too long. At a table of fish, you need to identify those who shake because they are nervous people, and those who are shaking like that guy who flutters at the higher limit table. Eye contact is key.
Also (hoping none of us meet heads up) When I am on a made hand I will try and act nervous to pu tforth weakness. Coversely when I am on a draw and need help with alot of chips in the middle I will play it off as nothing. I will even try to engage someone else in an unrelated discussion while someone is trying to put the read on. Laughing about yesterdays news while someone is staring you in the face will go a long way to portraying a level of confidence and disregard for a potential caller. This will send a message that callers without the nuts need not pay up.
Finally, and most key in my initial read of players, along the lines of playign with your cards. I have found that even the most seasoned of poker players will "Take ownership of a good hand". Before cards are even completed being delt out, players will look at their hands, and treat them accordingly. It is SUPER RARE to see someone take in thier cards, plan on folding them, and still line them up, lay a chip on top and protect them untill thier turn to fold. What I mean is that a player who does not liek his hand at first sight will NOT try and protect it. He will not place a chip on top, he will NOT line them up neat. IN most cases he will intimate his fold right away in some way, by leaving the cards strewn awry on the table, in no particular pattern, as if he does not care for them. he will put them down and you can tell if he is discarding them by the way he moves on from his look at the cards. He will nto "TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THEM"
Conversly when a player does like his cards "he will take ownership". he will protect the cards, move them closer, look several times not once, keep them neat, and yes put a chip on top sometimes. That being said it is not an exact science.
For the most part we sit and play with a large percentage of casual players that have not honed thier conduct to this degree, so it should be easy to spot, before a play is even made.
Just a few thoughts from me.
RiverRatJosh
What's it like living in a film noir? Investigator by day, gambling in the speakeasys by nite..
it usually occurs when the pot is still fairly small ($100-150)...whether they are first to act or last, as soon as the river card is dealt or as soon as its checked to them, they immediately grab one stack ($100) and bet it...
i often try to mimic this tactic on the river when I indeed have something...the big draws all miss, i'll bet one stack quickly, and i'll try to look just slightly uncomfortable doing it....you'd be surprised how many times people have called thinking i had a busted draw (or even raised with not much of anything because they were sure)
actually, i think i have read somewhere that quickness in and of itself can often be a tell.....people who raise preflop and make a continuation bet on the flop in a quick motion probably missed.....people who actually have something really good take a little time to act weak, and people who have an average hand will also take a little time to decide whether or not they are winning.......quickness looks like confidence, and showing a lot of confidence often means weakness
That's actually Gary Carson's (and probably a lot of other authors, but his book is the first place I saw it) basic rule of beginner tells - acting strong almost always means a weak hand, and acting weak means a strong hand. It's a symptom of fancy play syndrome - players who believe that they have to be deceptive every time they do something, and become predictable as a result. A good tell to know, though it can get you in trouble against more experienced players. It can also hurt against relatively straightforward players, like me - I'm of the school that believes a little deception goes a long way, so most of the time I bet my hand according to its true strength, and make money off of people who think I'm bluffing. It's a lot easier to be sneaky if everybody has you pegged as the easy read who never bluffs...
Since whe started to watch the WSOP some of my opponents have picked up the habits of putting a token on there cards. when waiting there turn.
I do it too.... but not just if i get a good hand or a monster.
A major tell is when i guy dont wait is turn to look at is cards and then he doesnt put is token on the cards. This usually means that i have one less oponent to worrie about in this hand. (he will fold).
Sometime that guy will try and steel the blinds when everyone fold in front of him. This makes for some good and easy steel on my part.